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Euro Trip: Episode Seven

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Euro Trip: Episode Seven by TheLoon, phoinix

This week TheLoon partners with Phoinix as they explore life at PokerStars.

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TheLoon and company take a tour of the European sites and talk of differences from the players to the software itself.

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Video Details

  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 61 minutes long
  • Posted almost 2 years ago

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phoinix

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underscoredark

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Mykill

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DC needs more phoinix vids imo.



This man speaks the truth!

Posted almost 2 years ago

z324739

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DC needs more phoinix vids imo.



Yeah. Maybe something about 3betting, he seems to know his stuff...

Good vid.

Posted almost 2 years ago

PatrickC

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Time Link to 00:12:08

could it be Profitable to limp UTG with 5s in this spot ?

Posted almost 2 years ago

HighOctane

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Time Link to 01:00:15

You guys did not comment on the fact that he had less than 50bb on the 77 btn v sb. It seems like that would affect the decision to 3-bet or call. Does this affect the decision? If so, does it change the preflop line?

Posted almost 2 years ago

aumorgan

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pr0wler

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Time Link to 00:08:19

I much prefer check-raising this flop rather than check-calling. You guys mentioned that the only hand he is going to stack off with is like AQ+. I don't necessarily disagree with this, but regardless he is going to call the check-raise on the flop with any ace if you make it reasonably small. You don't have to make it big given that it's a 3-bet pot. A small raise to like $10 or $11 gets value from lots of hands (probably even KK/QQ who are suspicious) and also builds the pot so that he might talk himself into a call on the turn and/or river based on pot odds.

If the board were something like T 9 3 and we had a set of 9's then I wouldn't mind a call because his hand could easily improve to where he think he is good, and he also might be willing to fire another shell on the turn. But with the A on there it's pretty much either he has the A and he's going to get all of his stack in by the river if we play it correctly, or he has a big pocket pair or flush draw which we can also get 1 or 2 streets of value from. He's never gonna keep firing as a bluff with the A already on the flop so by slow playing there we're missing value from a lot of hands.

Although I would've raised the flop in the first place, as played I definitely like leading the turn as per phoinix's original suggestion. But as played in the video, I disagree about checking the turn. I don't support the assumption that he's going to value bet and call with a hand like KK, QQ, or JJ. If I'm in the villains shoes I'm always checking behind those big pocket pairs on there turn there for pot control and I can get another street of value on the river anyway from most hands. Why would the villain want to rush to get his money in for ~135 BB when we could easily have an Ace?

And even if the villain does have KK/QQ/JJ...we can make a small bet on the turn and river to get value from our boat and coax him into a pot odds based call. How many times do we see a micro stakes villain who doesn't have the discipline to fold a big pocket pair to a small bet when there's 2 Aces on board? Very often. If you make the assumption that the villain is willing to value bet his big pocket pair on the turn, then you can probably also make the assumption that by us betting he isn't going to fold anyway.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Mykill

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There was some discussion about a concept regarding villain being out of his comfort zone.

I believe the example you gave was nit having a really wide range and being uncomfortable with it. Could you explain or expand on this concept?


Thanks!

Posted almost 2 years ago

Kgore

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Time Link to 00:41:54

Something you guys don't take into consideration.. If you check and he bets something like KQ, a lot of people will have a hard time folding it to a raise because "how could you check twice with trips".

Posted almost 2 years ago

Kgore

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Time Link to 00:43:35

On Table 2, the guy is too fishy to notice you checked the BB and therefore can have 2x or 4x.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Kgore

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Time Link to 00:46:43

On Table 2, the guy is too fishy to notice you checked the BB and therefore can have 2x or 4x.

Posted almost 2 years ago

phoinix

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could it be Profitable to limp UTG with 5s in this spot ?



Sure, I think folding wouldn't be horrible either if you're uncomfortable playing like 22-55 UTG.

Posted almost 2 years ago

phoinix

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There was some discussion about a concept regarding villain being out of his comfort zone.

I believe the example you gave was nit having a really wide range and being uncomfortable with it. Could you explain or expand on this concept?


Thanks!



It has a lot to do with them doing things because they know they are intuitionally correct, not because they necessarily know why they should be.

So we have the 10/10 guy who is opening like 40% from the button. Clearly he's opening way way more hands on the button than he plays anywhere else, probably because it's generally accepted you should raise a lot of hands from the button.

So if we start to put some pressure on the fact that he is opening way, way more hands than he is normally comfortable playing - he's not going to know how to respond. He's just raising a wide range on the button because "it's right" and probably isn't going to be able to play very well if we start flatting or 3-betting a wide range.

Posted almost 2 years ago




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