sweet, v good content on the first one was looking forward to this
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sweet, v good content on the first one was looking forward to this
Everyone who is making videos in stars complains about timebank. You should notice that you play on FAST tables so timebank is a lot of smaller if you played on normal u'd have at least 2min's of timebank if not more.
looking fwd to this!!
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there are definitely a bunch of spots worth commenting on in this vid. but i feel like your flop donk defined the type of range for you that put villain in a spot where raise flop gave him much better opportunities than when you c/c flop. in particular, your flop donk/3bet range is way too narrow on this board. and i would remain unbalanced by donk/calling monsters here in this match. does this sound okay? i feel like board texture is determining all of this.
OMFG that call on 24:00~ was sick.
How do i start getting to the level to make these calls? Maybe it's the desire to be a hero in all of us but most coaches tell you trying to make hero calls is something you should not be concerned with.
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g-man
Thanks for the video.
I have seen in various 5-10+ videos discussion about how vs good players they tend not to c/c river spots like this to our river valuebetting range - and tend to take their range equity and either fold or raise.
In this spot - what do you think the top and bottom of his bluff-catching range is?
what do you think this range SHOULD be vs other good players?
It seems you were mildly suprised that he was capable of turning a made hand into a bluff in this spot........
Do you think it makes sense for him to do this at all vs your range and the gameflow? 1400 to win just pot just over 700
I saw a Dear FoxwoodFiend video on turning made hands into bluffs (admittedly a 6max setting) and this K of d appeared to be a gin card for opening up the profitability of running this type of bluff. Card that develops the board which can crebibly help bluffers range and bluffers c/r bluff reps more than one holding.
But you seem to think that flushes are more in your range than his based off of early st frequencies? Do you think perhaps that he might view your range and tendencies differently? and might think that he has more XX diamonds in his range than yours...
"this is the bottom of your value range"
At what point does it become a bet/call - Qx or AQ or is it only flushes?
And now that you know that he is capable of doing this - in this spot.....does this make it an easier or harder bet/fold?
* Note I am not a MSNL player or a HU player.
Thanks for your videos, and I look forward to more of your work.
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boys and girls please dont try this at home....these are highly paid professionals
there are definitely a bunch of spots worth commenting on in this vid. but i feel like your flop donk defined the type of range for you that put villain in a spot where raise flop gave him much better opportunities than when you c/c flop. in particular, your flop donk/3bet range is way too narrow on this board. and i would remain unbalanced by donk/calling monsters here in this match. does this sound okay? i feel like board texture is determining all of this.
Because of everything I mentioned in the video, I still feel comfortable w/ my play w/ JT in this hand. It was just a bit a negative variance that he had one of the few hands where we aren't able to take this pot down. Specifically, he is likely to only value raise something like K9+ and he certainly may flat a hand bigger than that, which is a good outcome for us w/ J high. I didn't except him to value raise air much there, and if he did, as I mentioned I didn't expect him to follow through on the turn much at all. And even if he did, we have 14 cards we're not going to be folding on the turn. Just unfortunate that he ends up having T7 here. When he has 8x or some other hand with weaker showdown value than 8x, I think we can take the pot away from him by the river a bunch. And if we were to c/c the flop, we'd often just have to c/f the turn anyway.
I agree that my getting it in range when I donk the flop is kinda tight here, but that's because I didn't expect him to be playing back against my donk much at all. If I did, I'd be fine getting in a bunch of money w/ 2 overs and the OESD. How light we are willing to get the money in on this texture is completely dependent on the donk betting dynamic established in the match. There are plenty of situations where I'd get it in w/ a T9 type hand.
How do i start getting to the level to make these calls? Maybe it's the desire to be a hero in all of us but most coaches tell you trying to make hero calls is something you should not be concerned with.
Ya I mean I hate his call here, so this hand is a terrible example of when to make a hero call imo. But there really isn't a paragraph I can give you that will help you decide when to make hero calls. It's again one of those questions that ends up essentially being the same as asking "How do I play poker"
I will say that at the level most of my students are on, I don't discourage making hero plays just because. But I suppose that seems like a reasonable thing to tell a SSNL player or a student who plays way too FPSy
g-man
Thanks for the video.
I have seen in various 5-10+ videos discussion about how vs good players they tend not to c/c river spots like this to our river valuebetting range - and tend to take their range equity and either fold or raise.
In this spot - what do you think the top and bottom of his bluff-catching range is?
what do you think this range SHOULD be vs other good players?
It seems you were mildly suprised that he was capable of turning a made hand into a bluff in this spot........
Do you think it makes sense for him to do this at all vs your range and the gameflow? 1400 to win just pot just over 700
I saw a Dear FoxwoodFiend video on turning made hands into bluffs (admittedly a 6max setting) and this K of d appeared to be a gin card for opening up the profitability of running this type of bluff. Card that develops the board which can crebibly help bluffers range and bluffers c/r bluff reps more than one holding.
But you seem to think that flushes are more in your range than his based off of early st frequencies? Do you think perhaps that he might view your range and tendencies differently? and might think that he has more XX diamonds in his range than yours...
"this is the bottom of your value range"
At what point does it become a bet/call - Qx or AQ or is it only flushes?
And now that you know that he is capable of doing this - in this spot.....does this make it an easier or harder bet/fold?
* Note I am not a MSNL player or a HU player.
Thanks for your videos, and I look forward to more of your work.
Although I agree that better players tend to fold or raise on the river more often than others, I felt comfortable v-betting this river because as I mentioned in the video, I felt he would give me credit for bluffing here more often than a lot of other players, and yes I did deem it v unlikely he would c/r bluff the river. And in either this video or the previous one, I bluffed on a similar texture w/ KJ on a 6789x board.
A bluff catcher is a bluff catcher. There really isn't such thing as the top of someone's bluff catching range. I would phrase that as having a hand that is ahead of some of my opponents value betting range. When this is the case, given a) the price your getting on a river call b) chances he's bluffing and c) chances he's v-betting worse often make it correct to call (obviously this is a huge generalization, but w/e). In this exact hand, if he has 7x, that would often qualify.
As for the bottom of your bluff catching range, it should be a hand that is ahead of virtually all (maybe 95%) of his bluffing hands, assuming that it is a close decision. Obviously if we feel very confident our opponent is bluffing, we can call w/ a few more hands that might be behind his bluffs. In this spot, the bottom of his bluff catching range is and probably should be Kx, or like AA/89 in terms of a hand he will realistically show up with.
I think his play is debatable but overall probably not good. It seems likely given his play he thought I was a) bluffing kind of a lot there or b) v-betting very thinly. a) is a reasonably bad assumption given the dynamic in the match at the time. b) is also not so good because as I mentioned in the video, I was not going to v-bet that thinly there because he knows I am def capable of doing that.
I'm never folding Qx+ there, and I think I show up w/ one of those hands more than enough to make his play -EV. For combination reasons alone, I have way more Qx than 7x hands once I flat his 3bet.
Yes I feel as though he has a dd hand very rarely here, even less often than the admittedly low % of time I have a dd hand.
If this hand were to happen again on the very next hand against magicninja and many other solidish but not overly tricky MSNL/HSNL players, I would play it the exact same and fold the river again.
Thanks for the compliment and good questions.
Gman, I watch a lot of videos and you do a great job of explaining your thoughts compared to most. Your audio is fine imo. Great series too, I really am enjoying it.
Further to Ninjas made hand c/r river bluff.
You described that you thought it was 'uncharacteristic' of his play.
Does that mean that if it was characteristic that it would be enough to make the difference between bet/call and bet/fold by itself?
i.e. if you had history ( not necessarily intra-session) where you had seen him play spots similiar too this with a merged river c/shove range that you would bet/call with some frequency here with 7x?
So what would have to change?
A much more aggro dynamic or a possibility of tilt - where he was stuck say 5-10 BIs or he was up heavily.
Just trying to think of what would need to change for this to be bet/call on this board, broadly speaking.
And if there is not much - then if you are never valuebetting much thinner here - does that make the bet itself or the bet size less than optimal?
If he is only going to bluff catch certain two pair/set/7s and value shoving Qx+ and bluff shoving some frequency one pair hands.
I hope that makes sense and hope you have not already answered this and I have just not understood - I apologise in advance.
Lots of bitching about running bad but otherwise good content and interesting hands like that 3bet pot where Magicninja turned his Jx into a bluff.
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