Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by n0whereman (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:55:22

Ansky,

you check back A3 on Axx, call turn and then say you have to bet the river and you expect to get paid off a lot. I don't get your logic here.

It's a board where villain expects you to bet your air close to 100%; you mention 2 air hands you may play this way sometimes but that's a very narrow range and imo way too optimistic to expect him to put you on exactly that. Because of this I think a large % of decent HU players do not have a check calling range on that river and are either check folding or check raising. If he has a hand he feels is not strong enough to valuebet he should know it fares even worse against your river betting range.

I'm not saying you should check back the river, because obviously you do have the best hand almost always, but I would rarely expect to get called by worse and it's almost an inducer bet, something like cbetting a weak middle pair where I think villain is much more likely to checkraise a worse hand rather than check call with it, so once I bet I have to snap call a raise.

Ansky,

you check back A3 on Axx, call turn and then say you have to bet the river and you expect to get paid off a lot. I don't get your logic here.

It's a board where villain expects you to bet your air close to 100%; you mention 2 air hands you may play this way sometimes but that's a very narrow range and imo way too optimistic to expect him to put you on exactly that. Because of this I think a large % of decent HU players do not have a check calling range on that river and are either check folding or check raising. If he has a hand he feels is not strong enough to valuebet he should know it fares even worse against your river betting range.

I'm not saying you should check back the river, because obviously you do have the best hand almost always, but I would rarely expect to get called by worse and it's almost an inducer bet, something like cbetting a weak middle pair where I think villain is much more likely to checkraise a worse hand rather than check call with it, so once I bet I have to snap call a raise.

It's just not really true that I'd never check back total air on the flop first of all. Against players who don't auto bet the turn vs a check behind it's fine to check back air here. Secondly, the point is not necessarily that I can't have air, but more that I rarely have top pair, since the majority of my value checks on the flop are usually 2nd or 3rd pair, or king highs.

Great discussion in this video, the part about our hand being under repped not being a factor was a really good point that i had never considered before.

good stuff but the other dude stopped asking questions after ep 1 imo

It's just not really true that I'd never check back total air on the flop first of all. Against players who don't auto bet the turn vs a check behind it's fine to check back air here. Secondly, the point is not necessarily that I can't have air, but more that I rarely have top pair, since the majority of my value checks on the flop are usually 2nd or 3rd pair, or king highs.

Say you are in villain's shoes and you have QJ. Once for some reason you decide to not valuebet the river, do you think a check/call is better than a check/fold?

Say you are in villain's shoes and you have QJ. Once for some reason you decide to not valuebet the river, do you think a check/call is better than a check/fold?

Yes.

n0whereman i really liked your "what if?" questions from previous episodes...like what if villain did "x" differently, how would you react differently or how would you read his hand range differently.


Do either of you two think you could try narrating maybe 1 or 2 hands next vid in this form (using A3 vs K9 hand example):

(each street could be something like this) "Scenario 1: if i call this river ch/r i am being exploited by someone who checked flop with a monster planning to either ch/c or ch/r, then felt the need to bet turn because he missed value on the flop and then decided that I might have a strong enough hand to v-bet river (or weak enough to bluff air) and call a ch/r so he feels a ch/r is the better play ok on the river....BUT! Scenario 2: since 2pr and sets are rare......when he ch/r me here and i fold im being exploited by 1.someone who is capable of turning a worse hand into a bluff or 2.someone who was either giving up on the river but then realized that I could possibly have a very weak hand not capable of bet/calling myself when I bet the river---SO I CALL because his range is much more heavily weighted toward the scenario 2 hands"

(obviously the speech doesnt have to go down as cut boring like this, but just the idea of...well im either being exploited by a monster here or hes bluffing something worse)
Great Vid Though =)

Ansky,

on the PLO hand when you turn the Q-hi flush i cant really see you getting called by worse for 2 streets when you bet the turn here. It seemed to me that it might be better to either bluff catch with it or go for a river v-bet...i mean you are repping exactly what you have when you bet turn here and theres nothing you hate to see on the river besides the board pairing. so are you planning on bet/folding turn to a ch/r?

the only merit i can see to bet turn is to charge sets to draw but sets are just such a small part of his flop donking range that could very possibly include lower flushes or random4 cards drawing dead on the turn to your flush.

---what do you think of checking back turn and picking off bluffs or allowing baby flushes to valueown themselves or if checked to obviously v-betting and hoping to get called by worse?

Ansky,

on the PLO hand when you turn the Q-hi flush i cant really see you getting called by worse for 2 streets when you bet the turn here. It seemed to me that it might be better to either bluff catch with it or go for a river v-bet...i mean you are repping exactly what you have when you bet turn here and theres nothing you hate to see on the river besides the board pairing. so are you planning on bet/folding turn to a ch/r?

the only merit i can see to bet turn is to charge sets to draw but sets are just such a small part of his flop donking range that could very possibly include lower flushes or random4 cards drawing dead on the turn to your flush.

---what do you think of checking back turn and picking off bluffs or allowing baby flushes to valueown themselves or if checked to obviously v-betting and hoping to get called by worse?

Haven't played much with smaugs huh? He definitely can check call worse flushes on the turn/river and will always ck call sets on turn (which is def in his donking range, not sure at all why you think they are not).

Time Link to 00:54:48

I think the underrepped part in the A3 hand does matter, not because he will CR KQ for value now, but because your hand looks weaker his checkraise-bluffing frequency might change. This A3 is pretty much the top of your range on the river I think.

Do you think he could ever check-call or valuebet the river with the K9? considering you almostn ever have a queen and rarely an ace.

good stuff but the other dude stopped asking questions after ep 1 imo

Yes good he stopped and let ansky play.

Yes good he stopped and let ansky play.

haha my fav part was, "i think he c/r pair of nines because he thought you had a draw" this was the best episode of the series though, it would obv be perfect if it were all holdem but whatever. i really liked anksys explanation of the ace three hand when he gets c/r on the river near the end.

I think the underrepped part in the A3 hand does matter, not because he will CR KQ for value now, but because your hand looks weaker his checkraise-bluffing frequency might change. This A3 is pretty much the top of your range on the river I think.

Do you think he could ever check-call or valuebet the river with the K9? considering you almostn ever have a queen and rarely an ace.

are you f--king serious? i doubt anyone is gonna CR 2nd pr for value here...maybe like 5% of the time. sounds super spewy to me. you obviously havent played much against people that check back TPWK for pot control and to get 2 streets of value on turn and river. obviously if villain doesnt donk turn Ansky will bet turn and river for value so anyone who is CR 2nd pr hoping to get bet/called by 3rd pair is a lunatic spewmonkey.

are you f--king serious? i doubt anyone is gonna CR 2nd pr for value here...maybe like 5% of the time. sounds super spewy to me. you obviously havent played much against people that check back TPWK for pot control and to get 2 streets of value on turn and river. obviously if villain doesnt donk turn Ansky will bet turn and river for value so anyone who is CR 2nd pr hoping to get bet/called by 3rd pair is a lunatic spewmonkey.

I think you need to reread what he wrote...