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Five's a Crowd: Episode Four

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Five's a Crowd: Episode Four by DeathDonkey, mike l.

DeathDonkey and mike l. continue the 20/40 3 handed session and argue about preflop balancing, free showdown raises, and river calls!

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  • Game: lhe
  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 63 minutes long
  • Posted about 3 years ago

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Comments for Five's a Crowd: Episode Four


TehHands

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Mike, if you can find time, please make a stand alone vid of you playing.



You know one already exists? But yeah, more please.

Posted about 3 years ago

DeathDonkey

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I'm 100% with Mike on the Q9 hand on the flop of 8cJcQd-Ace on turn, in the beginning of the video. There a million draws, rarely any Ace-peels, and a ton of value. Are you ever peeling with an naked Ace here? No. The board is not paired, there aren't any low cards (typical Ace-peel flop), and you must bet, every time and call a raise, no brainer, imo.



Well I did end up agreeing that its a bet, but I think you are wrong that people don't peel here with an Ace that often, I think a ton of online guys peel here with any Ax. Is it a good play? Not at all, but it happens.

Posted about 3 years ago

Joe Tall

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Well I did end up agreeing that its a bet, but I think you are wrong that people don't peel here with an Ace that often, I think a ton of online guys peel here with any Ax. Is it a good play? Not at all, but it happens.



But you should have no fear of betting. It's not close. If flop was 7c2cQ, sure, 8c8dQ, OK, 22Q, most def, but the flop 8cJcQd, you couldn't find more draws unless this was PLO, and you must bet and call a raise and not have to think about it all that much.

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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On that AJ hand, what can you credibly represent if you just call the flop CR and raise the 10d on 642 two diamond turn? Even in the mind of a poor playing player he`s probably going to assume that you would 3bet 1010 on that flop, and any two suited cards that you would cap preflop. And even though we have good equity against alot of his range, unless he has aces or a set we have around 11-14 outs, but whatever he has, he`s never folding it.



It's a value raise not a bluff.

Posted about 3 years ago

Entity

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Well I did end up agreeing that its a bet, but I think you are wrong that people don't peel here with an Ace that often, I think a ton of online guys peel here with any Ax. Is it a good play? Not at all, but it happens.


I think if hands like T8 hadn't turned a doublegutter, it's a lot more reasonable for you to consider checking back, but there are just too many light peels that turned bigger draws that you stand to get value from but can't really induce bluffs vs.

Posted about 3 years ago

Psychobingo

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It's a value raise not a bluff.



What hand could this particular player possibly have that we beat on that board? The only bluff we`ve seen him make is 3barreling JQ on K10xxx. Which mike and DD agreed that only the river bet is bad, and that hand isnt exactly played wildly aggressive. He`s been passive up until this point, and now we cap preflop and he checkraises us on this flop and leads the turn. Am i really that pessimistic about his range here, i really dont see any value in a raise here.

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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So do you think we should call the river unimproved? If not, fine. But if you're going to call down I think you should raise the turn.

Posted about 3 years ago

mike l.

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I disagree with the JT hand and in particular with the belief that because DD showed down a really strong hand previously that Angus is more inclined to give him credit and lay down a marginal hand (like AT). I think that Angus is very likely to get to showdown with a wide range because:
(1) The fact that you just won a big pot off of him will make him subconsciously want to try to get his money back, and will have his mind leaning toward thin calldowns.



great point and super prominent tilty thinking you will see a lot in these games. well said.

Posted about 3 years ago

Willem

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My opinion on the AJ hand. I think the river is close either way, and I wouldn't lose sleep on it regardless of what you did. I would usually never fold AJ unimproved in such a big pot, especially when the board pairs. But like you already said, how often is he check-raising the flop as a bluff (which is not a flush draw)? I think with his MutB syndrome, he has as least a flush when he bets the river here.

I also hate the a turn raise, as he is never folding a better hand. Since he pretty much never has a worse hand.

Posted about 3 years ago




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