Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by threads13 (Mid Stakes)

You may not think theres anything wrong with that but I joined this site to learn not to hear about social lives. Thats what Facebook is for fwiw. Also to STxs999 I did feel degraded a bit as my question I left on the last video was completely ignored. I didn't know what to think if it was a bad question or you didn't respect me enough to even answer. I'm just trying to make you guys better coaches as I hope you guys are trying to make us better players.

I almost never post but this guy's been getting on my nerves. Instead of bitching about them filling dead time with friendly chatter, why not consider that social networking and getting to know your peers is a crucial aspect of success in every field including poker? Then you'd notice that A)they're doing it right and B)you're doing it wrong


edit: stars regs thread on 2p2, gogogo

I definitely wasn't trying to talk down to people at all. I'm a coach because I enjoy helping people. That's something that permeates throughout my life. Also, it is a goal of myself as a person, not just as a poker player, to not talk down to people... to treat people with respect. So, I'll try to be more aware of how things I could say could come off in the future.

I'm a pretty straightforward guy so if I think I explained something pretty well in the video I'm going to let you know that straight up. Now, if there is something specific that you want me to elaborate on (just to give an example... set-mining OOP... why it would be less profitable than IP... then I can take that and run with it) feel free to point that out and then I can certainly be of more help.

I think in the vid you and Nolan disagreed leaning slightly in opposite directions although you both thought it was close. To me, UTG Raise was a clear call as range was UTG (tight). However, you checked fold loooong before action got to you so you didn't even know what direct odds you were getting implying your thought process was less concerned with direct odds.

Ah yes... I think my checking it was more an example of just lazy thinking than anything. I saw short stacked raised and I just went to click the fold button. I wasn't paying attention to the action... was thinking about something else... or something like that. Not surprising because, as I mentioned, I think this is a pretty lackluster performance on my part.

UTG's stats looked tight. Do you have history that suggests otherwise? In particular the stats here looked similar to the 66 spot later where you called, so:

1. In the 88 spot vs the 66 spot the overall stats looked similar except 88 raiser was UTG (tighter) and 66 raiser was MP (looser) so pls explain how/why you decided the opposite on tightness/looseness? To me the 88 vs UTG + 2 callers was a clear call and the 66 vs looser MP range + OOP was a clear fold so I'm puzzled how you came to the opposite conclusion to the stats/positions. I can only figure the decision was based on specific player knowledge (which was not discusssed).

2. Set odds increase with multiple callers but our likelihood of successfully making a play increases heads-up so are you more likely to call with PP's (eg in the 88 hand) because MP flats giving you higher direct set-mining odds or less likely to flat because you can't really make a play when you don't hit and are 4-way?

It wasn't much of a decision so much on stats as it is on stack sizes. It's an interesting point that you're getting at.

With the deeper stacks in the 66 hand (100bb deep) I feel like we can just call to hit a 6. I think it's close and I wouldn't argue with a fold and, in fact, the more I think about it the more I agree with Nolan.

In the 88 hand we definitely can't call just to hit a set and fold otherwise against the preflop raiser(20bb deep). However, with the 88 hand the other callers give us better and better odds to just go with our hand UI. This is something that comes into play as the stacks get shorter. As the stacks get shorter our immediate pot odds preflop tell a much truer story of the how profitable a call is. When the stacks are really deep then making a call just because of preflop pot odds often is a rather sketchy argument. There is so much money left behind that the preflop pot odds aren't going to have much affect on the play. Some? Yes. Much? No.

To make the example clearer... If we are trying to cry pot odds and call with KTo versus and UTG raiser and 5 callers we really aren't getting enough pot odds 100bb deep. There are some major reverse implied odds that come into play when we are deep way more than implied odds help us so we actually need some really amazing pot odds to make a call. Maybe something like 12-to-1 would actually make me wanna call.

Now, if you make those stacks short our reverse implied odds go way, way down. Sure, our implied odds go down, but we didn't have much of them anyways. So the net affect is that our reverse implied odds go down WAY more than our implied odds do. Overall that's gain for us, meaning we don't need as good of pot odds as we would if we were deeper, so we can then make more speculative calls with less immediate pot odds when the stacks are shorter.

88 plays kinda similarly in this spot although it needs less favorable pot odds simply because it just is a stronger preflop hand than KTo.

I think that also answers your question about odds to set mine... but to elaborate... I don't think we ever have odds to set mine versus a 20bb stack's raise(I suppose it COULD happen... but that would take A LOT of callers ). However, I am more likely to call with multiple callers with 88 because I am going to go with my hand on flops and because I'm getting better odds with the additional callers. I just am getting enough odds when you consider the probability that I win some money postflop and that I have the best hand here sometimes.

If I were just set mining I would prefer to have more callers as I think the bigger pot will help me stack the preflop raiser more often. Also, the multi-way pot may make the raiser play more straightforwardly which could lead me to picking up a few uncontested pots postflop.

wow, what happened here!!!! wtf!!!!

Alright, i'm gonna be the voice of reason here, can't we all just get along and just say sorry and pretend like nothing happened = )

I think chris means well. I think he felt some of the content put out by the decent dc vids wasn't as good as the other content in the past. And some questions left weren't explained or ellaborated on enough that he might have wanted more.

On another note, I don't think as members of this training site should any of us be talked bad upon b/c there is some pretty bad stuff like classless and degraded,etc etc. I don't think any question is a stupid question. We just want to learn more. From what I'm getting out of this crazy thread, I think there was just a misunderstanding and I think we all mean well here and really respect DC, the coaches, and its members and that's why we continue to watch the great vids put out.


Well I had a question:
"backraising any pocketpair to a three bet is never good"
What if there is an aggressive 3bettor? What are we gonna wait for,AA,KK,AK? If he has a pretty aggressive 4 bet stat as well say 4 or 5 percent 4b range. When can we make a stand and get it in w/o waiting for a super premium hand? I guess i've had a lot of trouble in these spots because I'll finally play back with say AK and they'll shove and i'll either be dominated, or flipping with TT,JJ,QQ. Wouldn't we much rather be on the other end of the flip with 88+ against say AK?

Thanks and I hope we can make amends here because you guys are all great guys = )

Well I had a question:
"backraising any pocketpair to a three bet is never good"
What if there is an aggressive 3bettor? What are we gonna wait for,AA,KK,AK? If he has a pretty aggressive 4 bet stat as well say 4 or 5 percent 4b range. When can we make a stand and get it in w/o waiting for a super premium hand? I guess i've had a lot of trouble in these spots because I'll finally play back with say AK and they'll shove and i'll either be dominated, or flipping with TT,JJ,QQ. Wouldn't we much rather be on the other end of the flip with 88+ against say AK?

Thanks and I hope we can make amends here because you guys are all great guys = )

I have tried widening my backraise value range to 88+ vs what is mostly AT+ but it leads to higher variance against the player type that won't fold. You are inevitably in a flip at best. I don't know what to do against the wide 3B'ers without a fold button other than accept the high variance. Unfortunately they seem to run like God. And they don't seem to adjust so they don't slow down if you play back.

Ummm, leave the table?

I think the hate in this thread is pretty ridic.

The explanations given in video were both succinct and easy to understand.

Honestly I think people have tendency to want to be spoonfed information. They're reluctant to do any of the heavy lifting themselves, hoping to passively absorb content from watching a vid and improve because of it.

I'd argue first step when not understanding something you hear should be to hit pause, play it back then stop and think about the spot for a while.
Not understanding something immediately doesn't mean that the video is of poor quality.


Nolan, I really like your videos. There's a lot of great content and you give the impression that you enjoy making them. This moves things along well and keeps the process engaging. FRNL has a lot of downtime unless you're playing a tonne of tables and I appreciate that you guys managed to fill in the dead spots.

+1 for Nolan. Pretty much give his videos 80%+ of the credit for moving me up two or three stakes since I've been at DC.

I don't even play FR, yet I still watch every video Nolan puts out because the insight into his thought processes is invaluable.

+1 for Nolan. Pretty much give his videos 80%+ of the credit for moving me up two or three stakes since I've been at DC.

+2 Nolans videos are always excellent.

Nolan has his own style "tongue in cheek/Jersey Shore/Boston" attitude but I find the banter really entertaining.
His quips about ratholers and the sites being rigged always make me chuckle.

Most videos are so dry so it's great to break it up every now and again.

In life the one thing you learn is you will never make all the people happy all the time.

Nolan/Threads should accept that the vast majority very much enjoy what they are doing.

As for the 88 hand I think it was a good fold, as already explained it was a stack size issue (a SS and a guy with way under a full stack)

The SS will make post flop play difficult when you don't hit a set which negates position somewhat. (less free cards/moves possible)
Plus the half stack flat is probably not a strong range so we probably don't get paid off enough post flop when we hit our set.

Don't hate on Indiana, Nolan.

Great video, guys.

Where is episode Eight??

My Saturday wasn't as good without my FR Squadron fix, it was still a good day due to me winning 7.5 BI's ( gotta thank Nolan for the vids, ty man ) but still need that last episode.

Word.

Just wanted to let fans of FR Squadron know that we're back with two more episodes on Sat April 10 and Sat April 17!

Just wanted to let fans of FR Squadron know that we're back with two more episodes on Sat April 10 and Sat April 17!

You beauty!

LOL at the above discussion. Just catching up on these videos and they're really good, with a good dynamic. Don't think some DC members realize how lucky they are to have Nolan's vids; he crushes SO hard and is also really articulate, which isn't a combination which happens every day in the poker world.

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What about overbet shove? Your SPR is pretty low, but even if someone calls, you have 2 overs and backdorrs...