nchabazam
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DD- are there any draws you would b/3b on this particular turn? Or are you just 3betting strictly for value?
If we hand a hand like 56ss we obviously have 0 showdown value and similar equity to TQss, but since we're not going to show this down UI after we get c/raised then the hands should basically be the same. I don't mind making decisions about which hands to b/3b in a situation like this based off where the hand lies in our range (just to have an easy way to randomize), but I don't think balance really matters in most of the hands in this series (Mike doesn't remember any of the hands/villains).
edit: you covered it 20 seconds later so nevermind.
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nchabazam
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I think at 10/20 online people are pretty polarized too... I can't remember the last time that I got c/raised in a spot like this and it wasn't the Ac or air. Sometimes I'll see people c/r the Kc but since you have that it makes me dislike 3betting even more.
If you had some amazing read on your opponent that he'd never cap and lead as a bluff or with a worse flush then maybe you could fold if you put in more action? But folding the 2nd nuts in big pots seems like a bad idea, and you always get 3bet by the Ac so...
Ya I don't like putting in more action.
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sweetjazz3
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I don't really like barreling the turn against most weak players (which hijack appears to be). Unless he is routinely peeling two unders to the ace, his range seems heavily weighted toward a pair of aces or better or a pocket pair. I think your fold equity versus this range with a turn bet is very very small (if not zero), and you're likely to get in a raise on the river if you hit your hand anyway.
Just because you have a lot of equity and no showdown value doesn't mean you should autobarrel the turn, you still need some fold equity too. And against a lot of mediocre players who openraised from the HJ, I don't think you have much, if any, fold equity at all on this particular board texture once he check/calls the flop.
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DeathDonkey
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With a hand this strong my default would typically be to call and raise the turn. I realized I don't really have a flop raise range in these blind battle spots. Curious as to what sort of range you have when you take this line on the flop.
Pairs, draws, maybe a random airball, a little of everything basically. On this sort of board I think you need to have a dead on read that villain always two barrels otherwise its the type of board that its better to raise right away, and let villain guess what type of hand you have.
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DeathDonkey
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I don't really like barreling the turn against most weak players (which hijack appears to be). Unless he is routinely peeling two unders to the ace, his range seems heavily weighted toward a pair of aces or better or a pocket pair. I think your fold equity versus this range with a turn bet is very very small (if not zero), and you're likely to get in a raise on the river if you hit your hand anyway.
Just because you have a lot of equity and no showdown value doesn't mean you should autobarrel the turn, you still need some fold equity too. And against a lot of mediocre players who openraised from the HJ, I don't think you have much, if any, fold equity at all on this particular board texture once he check/calls the flop.
I think between the times he did peel with KQ or whatever and the rare times he folds an underpair, it becomes a must bet considering we only need those to happen rarely with such good equity here. This is near the bottom of our range and its impossible to say for certain if he will fold a pair or peel KQ on that flop, I like sticking with a bet unless you have a great read.
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