nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:02:10
I kind of prefer betting here. A guy limped utg then didn't stab at a board that should hit his range pretty well. I'd definitely label him on the passive side and prefer that he calls down with A high, worse pairs, etc. I'm just not sure how often a guy will in fact bet that river as a bluff when he declines to bet the flop (and isn't lol tarp raising the turn).
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nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:07:52
cbetting AK on a J83r board 5 ways. I feel like in a FR game here you're up against so many Jx hands and pocket pairs that it's not worth trying to buy the button or get a free turn card because I think more often we get raised, and when we do get a free turn card we're often giving worse hands a free look.
I'd bet a slightly dryer board like T62r, T22, etc 5 ways figuring my hand is best more often, and also the other benefits you mention.
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nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:16:51
The fact that he snap bets the A river would make me think he's more likely to be polarized on the K985A board with KT. If you think this guy ever has a draw then he's going to bet this river for sure, and he's probably never c/raising worse on the turn for value so... FWIW I think this guy has a set or K9 a ton. It's not the standard line, but it is one I see from these sort of not too terrible fish quite often.
If you fold this river I'd rather just fold the turn. I'm not sure how much equity we give up but I really do think we're screwed here very often. That being said I usually calldown and snap call this river.
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PygmyHero
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Time Link to 00:27:17
I'm glad you mentioned the possibility of a bluff raise. I agree with you that we shouldn't do it here as he won't fold an overpair, but we should definitely at least recognize the potential in this sort of spot.
I also agree that we probably shouldn't call this river - if his range is super prominent with UI overs we probably should have bluff raised earlier in the hand, so the river call is incongruent with the flop and turn play imo.
Lastly it's probably worth mentioning that I think two pair is a pretty clear value raise here.
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nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:28:01
I think the J9 on the 87Q69 board is probably a fold. Even though some nitty guys will spaz barrel AK, I think you see it get checked on the turn or river a decent % of the time, same with any worse Ax hands.
That being said he probably isn't always betting something like JJ on the river and might mubs out with some other weaker value hands. So if he can barrel AK (usually people don't imo) this is a super easy river call (16 combos of AK are such a huge part of his narrow range), but since I think you have to discount it heavily even though he's kind of polarized I'd just fold.
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nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:30:28
I think you get red AK to fold (so what, 4 combos?) on this river. I don't think any other pair folds at all really.
It's possible with a read that someone is a decent hand reader and not a huge showdown monkey that a donk would fold out any non club some % of the time. I don't give someone credit for that until I've seen them make some folds in other spots though.
edit: I like your analysis. Once again it's very player dependent, but your bet is definitely very congruent with an Ax hand with a strong club and you'd probably get me to fold a lot of stuff on this board.
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PygmyHero
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Time Link to 00:41:14
I disagree pretty strongly that we should 3b AQ on the turn if we get raised. I really don't think our hand is much better than A5 against that sequence.
Given his nitty PF stats and the flop check back I'd think it's a lol slowplay with AK almost 100% of the time if he raises the turn. Actually if the 3rd ace (visible to us) doesn't comes on the turn I would be considering that he has AA here a fair amount (again, if the flop gets checked and he raises a turn brick).
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nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:34:39
I agree the river is a decent spot to fold. But also in a FR game I'd be wary about calling someone a nit because they're 11/8 over 100 hands. Sure it's trending that way, but I'm sure I've been like 8/5 over 100 hands before and I play quite laggy. Make it a 6m game and I'd be petrified.
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nchabazam
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Time Link to 00:41:20
On the A42A board I feel like you'd need to b/3b this particular turn since it knocks out probably just enough AK combos and he will FSDR something dumb like 88 which checked back the flop.
If the turn weren't an A I'd feel a little bit more scared if I bet and got raised since AK seems more likely in that particular spot (ya it's only 4 combos but whatever).
In either event I think you can c/r this turn pretty easily, people almost never check back the turn after they check back the flop when raising or 3betting PF... they bet like 98% of the time.
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