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MTT: Vandweller (#4) - January HH Review Part 1

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MTT: Vandweller (#4) - January HH Review Part 1 by vandweller

Vandweller reviews STT hands from the month of January at the $20 through $50 buyins. Topics include: punishing risk aversion, making preflop all-in calls, playing against regulars, maximizing postflop value for strong hands, and properly adjusting opponents ranges in SNG Wizard

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  • Game: mttsng
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 78 minutes long
  • Posted almost 2 years ago

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Comments for MTT: Vandweller (#4) - January HH Review Part 1


seanj2112

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vandweller

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How can this be the very next hand?



Magic.

Posted almost 2 years ago

seanj2112

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frappeboy

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Time Link to 00:49:32

If Judddd was a good reg, he'd know that he has an any 2 card push (or close to it) and just shove on you here. I feel like good regs here show up a lot with AA-QQ that raise this size to induce, and the other hands they just shove. Obviously this is very read dependent and your play can be extremely profitable against a number of regs, but I feel like a truly good reg might be trapping here with a raise size like this. I do respect the amount of balls you have in spots like this though, it's something I don't do very often (re-stealing especially with stack sizes so close)

Posted almost 2 years ago

frappeboy

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Time Link to 00:49:40

Another point is that even if your play is slightly -EV here, if it works it sets you up to really own the bubble. Whereas if Judddd gets away with this, it really sets him up to own you since he'll have slightly more chips and be able to shove into you in the future. So based on future hands you definitely can take a little -EV here.

Posted almost 2 years ago

vandweller

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If Judddd was a good reg, he'd know that he has an any 2 card push (or close to it) and just shove on you here. I feel like good regs here show up a lot with AA-QQ that raise this size to induce, and the other hands they just shove. Obviously this is very read dependent and your play can be extremely profitable against a number of regs, but I feel like a truly good reg might be trapping here with a raise size like this.



I agree in general, but I also think Judddd is largely self-taught and doesn't play a completely doctrinaire type of game. So yeah it's largely read-dependent. YMMV in all these cases, and you can't just start jamming on min-raises indiscriminately (although most players would do better by themselves if they did.)

I do respect the amount of balls you have in spots like this though, it's something I don't do very often (re-stealing especially with stack sizes so close)



It's not an issue of balls. It's just an issue of: "Does this play win money on average?" If so, do it. If you bust out, open another.

Another point is that even if your play is slightly -EV here, if it works it sets you up to really own the bubble. Whereas if Judddd gets away with this, it really sets him up to own you since he'll have slightly more chips and be able to shove into you in the future. So based on future hands you definitely can take a little -EV here.



I think it's more of an issue of "can I make up the -EV in one or two hands in the very near future?" vs. "I can really be set up to own the bubble". SNGs are too short and the equity ceiling too low to make -EV gambles to build a stack for some long-term plan. But yes, you have the right idea.

Posted almost 2 years ago

supersplitz

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I just wanted to say I really enjoyed the video. The parts I enjoyed the most were the hands that you had questions about and brought them over to Wiz to go over. It was really useful to see some cold hard analysis in defending your decisions.

I have a little question about the T8s hand. I am a little confused on the theory behind these spots, but the way I always read it is that I just shove 90% all day in these spots and then wait for them to call me with a hand that is wide enough so that my shove is break even.

For example, if Judd is only calling 25% you should actually be shoving ATC and by shoving tighter say only 50-60% you are making his calling range more correct. Does this make sense?

If that does make sense are there reasons why you aren't shoving 90-100% if he is only calling 25%? Perhaps some sort of future implications in this sng or others?

Posted almost 2 years ago

phill2k8

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Pupp3tMast3r

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Time Link to 00:22:04

I have a question about this particular spot. What happens if say if on the turn there's the 9 of spades, and the river is still the J of spades. Assume you don't have the K of spades in your hand ( Smile ). He then bets turn just as in the video, we call, but on the river he checks (on the 4th spade, and the possible straight completer). Do we still check? (again your hand is KcKd because you would obviously call with 2nd nut flush)

What happens if an A hits the river and he shuts down? Is he ever slowplaying his A5 when he hits is A on the river?

Posted over 1 year ago

DntWryUllWin

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Time Link to 00:32:46

This play is great against people with a brain... Terrible if they dont understand ICM or the bubble. I use to do this everytime I was chip leader which was a huge leak of mine cause if your getting called by A5s its a terrible spot for you. So make sure you know your players thinking level before making this play.

Posted over 1 year ago

gtwigger

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Time Link to 00:20:04

I agree with your flop call here, for the reasons you stated however you are also missing a key point out here, that this is nearly the perfect flop for you.

1 - You have flopped top set.
2 - Back door to the 2nd nutz flush.
3 - Assuming he has hit a lower pair here, then for him to improve his hand will often improve yours (i.e. Full-Houes).

I dont often smooth call big hands like this, however in this case, I feel you have too.

Posted over 1 year ago

gtwigger

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Time Link to 00:22:55

Actually it is a very strange shove by him at the end and this guy really doesnt know what he is doing.

First of all you have shown massive strengh here, raised preflop and then called his flop and turn bets..... As you said the river is a danger card that completes nearly all draws, so what did he put you on????????

Your play actually looks like you are drawing too

Posted over 1 year ago




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