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It's a Tall World After All: Episode Three

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It's a Tall World After All: Episode Three by Joe Tall

Joe Tall plays 10/20 HU HEROS vs a tough opponent. He focuses on where his strengths are and takes advantage of his opponent's probable weak spots.

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Joe Tall plays HU Horse. He takes mixed games to the extreme in this series where he faces off against a single opponent and talks of the differences between full and HU games.

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  • Game: Mixed
  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 50 minutes long
  • Posted almost 2 years ago

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Comments for It's a Tall World After All: Episode Three


Joe Tall

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I think this fold is really tight. If I have a range of (8- 8-)46 (which again is on the tighter site of my range estimation) you still have a little bit more than 40% Equity getting 5 to 1..



Again, you are pairing your 4 on 3rd:

Hand Pot equity
(8-8-4)6 67.20%
376T 32.80%

My ROI are too big, 6 is the worst card for me to continue against. The chances you have a paired it are low. I pretty sure I have more equity (2-3%) against any other low card other than than the 6.

Posted almost 2 years ago

NinaWilliams

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who makes the little opening videos? This one has to be one of the best.

Posted almost 2 years ago

TheFool

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You should bet 6th, no one ever checks 2-pair or better there vs your board. (too scared to give you free cards as you are coordinated)



Yeah, I will consider this in the future.
That are the spots in Stud Hi I dont know how to play well. Valuebetting one single pair on 6th and on the River well is for sure a crucial skill in Stud.

Posted almost 2 years ago

TheFool

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Again, you are pairing your 4 on 3rd:

Hand Pot equity
(8-8-4)6 67.20%
376T 32.80%

My ROI are too big, 6 is the worst card for me to continue against. The chances you have a paired it are low. I pretty sure I have more equity (2-3%) against any other low card other than than the 6.



Yeah, my Equity numbers seemed to good to be true anyway..

Nevertheless I think I would almost always peel in this spot :-/

Can you maybe explain a bit more in detail why you think RIO are too big?

Did you only fold because you thought I am too tight? Against which kind of opponent would you peel here?

And isnt 3betting 3rd and c/f 4th when you catch bad / opponent catches good bad for metagame, since when I see you doing this can call wider on 3rd street and take away the pot from you sometimes on 4th.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Joe Tall

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Yeah, my Equity numbers seemed to good to be true anyway..

Nevertheless I think I would almost always peel in this spot :-/

Can you maybe explain a bit more in detail why you think RIO are too big?



There is $52 in the pot and it's $10 for me to call on 4th, $20 on 5th + 6th + 7th = for a total of $70 to see the showdown, assuming you be every street, you will put $60 in as well making the total pot $182. So I'm risking $70 : $182 so we need around 38% equity, we dont have that as the sim I ran:

Hand Pot equity
(8-8-4)6 67.20%
376T 32.80%

Did you only fold because you thought I am too tight? Against which kind of opponent would you peel here?



Yes, as I'm certain it was more like this (where you didnt pair your 6):

Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
(8-8-46) 72.78% 435,861 1,622
376T 27.22% 162,517 1,622

I would peel versus a very aggro stealer who bluffs much more and even then, you can see it's thin.

And isnt 3betting 3rd and c/f 4th when you catch bad / opponent catches good bad for metagame, since when I see you doing this can call wider on 3rd street and take away the pot from you sometimes on 4th.



First, I only 2-bet, and second, if you hit and I dont, I'm in a world of hurt, you are thinking too much like a holdem player, there are plenty of times to get creative to throw your opponents off, but when the board has you dead, there is no room.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Enso

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Wow this is really cool to follow along with TheFools comments and Joe's responses... TYVM to both of you!

Posted about 1 year ago

Enso

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Time Link to 00:06:02

We're 48% vs **|Ad (I assume he's raising 100%). Getting almost 2.5:1 here can't we call and try to pickup good relative to him? I understand it's a RIO situation but us having a 3 card 7, 2 flush and 2 card 1 gapper makes it seem like there's a lot of good 4th cards we can pickup.

Posted about 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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We're 48% vs **|Ad (I assume he's raising 100%). Getting almost 2.5:1 here can't we call and try to pickup good relative to him? I understand it's a RIO situation but us having a 3 card 7, 2 flush and 2 card 1 gapper makes it seem like there's a lot of good 4th cards we can pickup.



Yeah, it's a little tight, this was a live play video and I guess I was making the point more than breaking it down a bit more as you did here.

Posted about 1 year ago

Enso

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What % chance do you estimate that he has a very weirdly played 24 or 62? It's not like it's a huge pot, so that definitely favors folding, but you're getting 3:1, so you need your low to be good about 40% of the time to be +EV, which I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

Rob



Ya totally agree with this, I wouldn't be folding here and I think barreling the turn is fine with decent equity, great implied odds, folding some better hands (although this is a v.small consideration), and not getting cr too much

Posted about 1 year ago

Enso

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Time Link to 00:43:29

As you have little/no fold equity on 6th was your plan to follow through on 7th as a bluff if you missed?

Posted about 1 year ago

Enso

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Also what kind of hands would you expect him to fold on 7th? I'm really unsure of calling ranges here.

Posted about 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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As you have little/no fold equity on 6th was your plan to follow through on 7th as a bluff if you missed?



Little tough to answer this now without watching the whole match, but yes my bet sets up a bluff on 7th, however, this may be ill advised.

Posted about 1 year ago

Joe Tall

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Also what kind of hands would you expect him to fold on 7th? I'm really unsure of calling ranges here.



UI 8s, if that was my plan, really a match-dependent moment.

Posted about 1 year ago




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