Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by n0whereman (Mid Stakes)

Yes yes yes!
Couldn't wait for another HU PLO vid

Also lol'd at "David DeAngelo" screenname.
Saw it in FTOPS HUPLO event, was wondering who's SN is that

Time Link to 00:00:24

So when I watched this the first time, I thought this was really standard, but given how nitty Marius's range is, what hands am I missing here to make this a standard turn ship (I gave him any 4 big cards, any doublesuited aces, and any single suited aces with two face cards for this preflop sim)?

Omaha Hi Poker Simulation by ev++ Equity Calculator :: Enumerated 600000 hands
Board Cards :: A J 2 4
_Player_| ______Hands______| __Combos / %_| _Win Hi %_| _Tie Hi %_| _Equity %_
___ 1___|_bbbb|AA**{ds}|A_|_1342 / 0.5%_|__75.27___|___0.75___|__75.65___
________|_____Aff{ss}_____|_____________|__________|__________|__________
___ 2___|_____Qc4cJs3s____|___1 / 0.0%__|__23.98___|___0.75___|__24.35___

Your equity jumps to about 43% when you give him singlesuited and doublesuited rundowns T and J high, but I'm not sure if he'd barrel with either of those (especially the 1st) after you peel this flop. Thoughts?

Omaha Hi Poker Simulation by ev++ Equity Calculator :: Enumerated 600000 hands
Board Cards :: A J 2 4
_Player_| ______Hands______| __Combos / %_| _Win Hi %_| _Tie Hi %_| _Equity %_
___ 1___|_bbbb|AA**{ds}|A_|_1748 / 0.6%_|__56.48___|___0.58___|__56.77___
________|_Aff{ss}|T987{!r_|_____________|__________|__________|__________
________|___b}|JT98{!rb}__|_____________|__________|__________|__________
___ 2___|_____Qc4cJs3s____|___1 / 0.0%__|__42.94___|___0.58___|__43.23___

Formatting is kinda ugly I know, gonna see what we can do about that in the future.

One big concern is that you were giving him Axxx with big cards but you also have to give him AA** that he 3-bets preflop. I think realistically you've got about 30% here:

Omaha Hi Poker Simulation by ev++ Equity Calculator :: Enumerated 600000 hands
Board Cards :: A J 2 4
_Player_| ______Hands______| __Combos / %_| _Win Hi %_| _Tie Hi %_| _Equity %_
___ 1___|_bbbb|AA**{ds}|A_|_2975 / 1.1%_|__69.17___|___0.70___|__69.52___
________|_Aff{ss}|JT98{!r_|_____________|__________|__________|__________
________|____b}|Ad*dbn____|_____________|__________|__________|__________
___ 2___|_____Qc4cJs3s____|___1 / 0.0%__|__30.13___|___0.70___|__30.48___


FWIW, in-game I would have shipped this 100% as well but against a tight 3-bettor I'm not sure that we were really looking for this on the turn.

Rob

c&f lol

Yes yes yes!
Couldn't wait for another HU PLO vid

Also lol'd at "David DeAngelo" screenname.
Saw it in FTOPS HUPLO event, was wondering who's SN is that

Hahaha, I had to pick someone who runs hot in real life!

So when I watched this the first time, I thought this was really standard, but given how nitty Marius's range is, what hands am I missing here to make this a standard turn ship (I gave him any 4 big cards, any doublesuited aces, and any single suited aces with two face cards for this preflop sim)?

Omaha Hi Poker Simulation by ev++ Equity Calculator :: Enumerated 600000 hands
Board Cards :: A J 2 4
_Player_| ______Hands______| __Combos / %_| _Win Hi %_| _Tie Hi %_| _Equity %_
___ 1___|_bbbb|AA**{ds}|A_|_1342 / 0.5%_|__75.27___|___0.75___|__75.65___
________|_____Aff{ss}_____|_____________|__________|__________|__________
___ 2___|_____Qc4cJs3s____|___1 / 0.0%__|__23.98___|___0.75___|__24.35___

Your equity jumps to about 43% when you give him singlesuited and doublesuited rundowns T and J high, but I'm not sure if he'd barrel with either of those (especially the 1st) after you peel this flop. Thoughts?

Omaha Hi Poker Simulation by ev++ Equity Calculator :: Enumerated 600000 hands
Board Cards :: A J 2 4
_Player_| ______Hands______| __Combos / %_| _Win Hi %_| _Tie Hi %_| _Equity %_
___ 1___|_bbbb|AA**{ds}|A_|_1748 / 0.6%_|__56.48___|___0.58___|__56.77___
________|_Aff{ss}|T987{!r_|_____________|__________|__________|__________
________|___b}|JT98{!rb}__|_____________|__________|__________|__________
___ 2___|_____Qc4cJs3s____|___1 / 0.0%__|__42.94___|___0.58___|__43.23___

Formatting is kinda ugly I know, gonna see what we can do about that in the future.

One big concern is that you were giving him Axxx with big cards but you also have to give him AA** that he 3-bets preflop. I think realistically you've got about 30% here:

Omaha Hi Poker Simulation by ev++ Equity Calculator :: Enumerated 600000 hands
Board Cards :: A J 2 4
_Player_| ______Hands______| __Combos / %_| _Win Hi %_| _Tie Hi %_| _Equity %_
___ 1___|_bbbb|AA**{ds}|A_|_2975 / 1.1%_|__69.17___|___0.70___|__69.52___
________|_Aff{ss}|JT98{!r_|_____________|__________|__________|__________
________|____b}|Ad*dbn____|_____________|__________|__________|__________
___ 2___|_____Qc4cJs3s____|___1 / 0.0%__|__30.13___|___0.70___|__30.48___


FWIW, in-game I would have shipped this 100% as well but against a tight 3-bettor I'm not sure that we were really looking for this on the turn.

Rob

I think your analysis is pretty good, but I also think he's more likely to flat bad AA** hands instead of 3b them. I don't think he auto 3b's all his AA** hands, so I think he doesn't show up with a set here very much, and there's not a ton of JJ** hands in his 3b'ing range, so given all of this, imo there's more wrappy KTJ*, KQJ* type hands or similar AQ** type hands in his range to make it a ship for me. I agree, it's really close, and when he bet I was like blahhh this sucks but I don't think I can fold. Plus I think he actually WOULD continue to barrel a reasonably high amount because the turn is such a brick, and he could assume that I would almost always raise 2pr on the flop.

Also, fwiw I said he had a "nitty" 3b'ing range. Nitty isn't necessarily the way to describe it, I meant something more like solid/defined as higher rundowns and big pairs. It's not nitty, just like a standard solid 3b'ing range.

I think your analysis is pretty good, but I also think he's more likely to flat bad AA** hands instead of 3b them. I don't think he auto 3b's all his AA** hands, so I think he doesn't show up with a set here very much, and there's not a ton of JJ** hands in his 3b'ing range, so given all of this, imo there's more wrappy KTJ*, KQJ* type hands or similar AQ** type hands in his range to make it a ship for me. I agree, it's really close, and when he bet I was like blahhh this sucks but I don't think I can fold. Plus I think he actually WOULD continue to barrel a reasonably high amount because the turn is such a brick, and he could assume that I would almost always raise 2pr on the flop.

Also, fwiw I said he had a "nitty" 3b'ing range. Nitty isn't necessarily the way to describe it, I meant something more like solid/defined as higher rundowns and big pairs. It's not nitty, just like a standard solid 3b'ing range.

Yeah, the range I was giving him for AA was only good Aces (double suited or single suited with two big cards). I just redid the sim with a pretty realistic range for him in this spot, which is:

BBBB{!rb&np}| AA**{ds}| AAFF{ss}| Ad*dNN| JT98{!rb}

I think that's pretty realistic even if we note that he has to be barreling with a lot of combos of JT98. It's probably even snugger than he's 3-betting but it's about as good as it gets for us.

With that estimate, he has ~67% equity on the turn.

I haven't done the math yet on what we need given the $ in the pot for a shove to be +EV so I'm not really answering this question yet, but the more we have him check-fold some % of his weaker hands on the turn (which you seemed to think he would) the more often we're in too nasty of shape to ship it in, which REALLY surprised me.

Rob

Time Link to 00:41:13

Actually, thats a call preflop and a flop donkbet on the J885ds hand. Would not be picking that kind of hand to widen my 3bet range

Don't like my call pf either fwiw

and on the discussion of my 3b range. I do have a lot of medium and low suited rundowns/gappers in there. But me and John have been playing deep tables exclusively until this session and my range for 3betting when deep OOP vs a good, aggressive player is going to be very strong for obvious reasons.

and on the discussion of my 3b range. I do have a lot of medium and low suited rundowns/gappers in there. But me and John have been playing deep tables exclusively until this session and my range for 3betting when deep OOP vs a good, aggressive player is going to be very strong for obvious reasons.

Keep in mind that I wasn't saying you don't have hands like 8765 and 8764ds preflop, but that your barreling range on the turn probably doesn't include them very often. You could still include a few combos of them to account for some % of the time that you barrel with the bottom of your range if you think John is calling wide but folding the turn some %, but it doesn't change the overall equity his hand has against your range much unless you're barreling them super frequently.

Rob

Time Link to 00:15:05

what is the equity against what he is going to call you with when you check raise when in continues with the hand doesn't he often have a two plus flush draw. It seems like against that range you wouldn't like gettiong it in very oftern. Also when you check raise what are you repping only draws, if you had sets wouldn't you almost alwasys bet full pot and not a starnge under pot bet when you check raise.

what is the equity against what he is going to call you with when you check raise when in continues with the hand doesn't he often have a two plus flush draw. It seems like against that range you wouldn't like gettiong it in very oftern. Also when you check raise what are you repping only draws, if you had sets wouldn't you almost alwasys bet full pot and not a starnge under pot bet when you check raise.

Hi cptbackfire -

Thanks for checking out the video! My equity against a calling range obviously isn't good, but more than anything I'm relying on the fact that he can't have a hand that continues on that type of board very much. More simply, I think he folds to my c/r the vast majority of the time, so I don't have to worry about him calling or shipping on me very often. If he does happen to show up with a set or two pair, he'll likely just ship over me, in which case I didn't fold away a ton of equity anyway. But for the times I do occasionally get peeled, there's several different turns I can profitably barrel, especially since the bulk of his calling range in that spot would be draws himself, so I'll have a good idea of what turns are good to rep/barrel myself and which ones are bad.

I wouldn't always necessarily c/r full pot there. I think 4x is fine, given what I said about betting big enough so as not to encourage a peel, but to make him fold. I think 4x is plenty to make him fold out most hands.

Keep in mind that I wasn't saying you don't have hands like 8765 and 8764ds preflop, but that your barreling range on the turn probably doesn't include them very often. You could still include a few combos of them to account for some % of the time that you barrel with the bottom of your range if you think John is calling wide but folding the turn some %, but it doesn't change the overall equity his hand has against your range much unless you're barreling them super frequently.

Rob

Oh, I was not talking about that discussion. Just the one that occured in the vid between John and Jason about my general 3bet range. I haven't really reviewed this session from Johns point of view yet.

David DeAngelo is not even listening to the other when he asks questions. He's just like "right... right"

Here is a serious suggestion for improvement. Most PLO videos on deucescracked spend waaaaaay too much time talking about each hand, to a point where it really gets boring and annoying and I just want to stop the video. I really don't like the idea of spending 60min to watch 2 guys discuss just 5 hands, I feel like I'm wasting my time. I prefer videos that go "here i did this because 1,2,3" and the other guy does not intercept every 5 seconds. If this keeps going on, I'm seriously considering joining another coaching site. Just my 2 cents.

Here is a serious suggestion for improvement. Most PLO videos on deucescracked spend waaaaaay too much time talking about each hand, to a point where it really gets boring and annoying and I just want to stop the video. I really don't like the idea of spending 60min to watch 2 guys discuss just 5 hands, I feel like I'm wasting my time. I prefer videos that go "here i did this because 1,2,3" and the other guy does not intercept every 5 seconds. If this keeps going on, I'm seriously considering joining another coaching site. Just my 2 cents.

Hmm ok - what is it about the back and forth that you find not worth your time?