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I take ritalin 3 times a day. I like it. It's kind of weird to see your mind work differently then without the ritalin. Weird expierence.

http://drgabormate.com/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19655343
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22637938

Can't find many studies myself because:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16060722.1

keep this in mind if you get into any reseach on RCTs, which is the tip of the iceberb
http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_battling_bad_science.html (5:10)
Who was fined $3b for fraud last week? I believe they factor in the cost of fraud payouts before they bring drugs to market.

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v11/n10/full/4001851a.html
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/adhd/content/article/10168/1163208 future of treatment (best one)
http://jad.sagepub.com/content/11/6/737.short
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v14/n8/full/mp200944a.html (interesting but not directly relevant from my search)

I'm going to read Mate's book

Mate's book is alright, but not very well respected in the 'adhd industry'

Quelle surprise.

Well apart from that theoretical and academic bs, as I've been pigeonholed with a mood disorder everything else has been ignored "you have BD and that explains everything perfectly" thinking. Doctors made other big mistakes, e.g took 8 years to diagnose my osteochondritis, which I'm also quite bitter about, because my prognosis would be much better if I had surgery when I was 14 rather than 21. I had to fight very hard to even get the referral to a surgeon when I was 21 as it was. They took a long time after my mum was very ill and turned yellow to diagnose pancreatic cancer. I have very little trust in doctors due to all this and further experiences, but most things are simple enough that I can just leave it up to them, and I can't hope to understand most things medical.

I am very scatty and disorganised, impulsive, daydream endlessly, causes problems socially and I had to leave my last job because I couldn't hold my attention/concentration on the monotonous job. My sister is also slightly scatty and my dad has problems with attention, he struggles to read and daydreams a lot.

If these are the add problems then I've not been able to do anything about them so far. I would not be able to get stims because of my BD and it would probably be high risk. Over here I can't import something like adderrall due to the law and would have to risk getting it through a dealer which I'm not going to do. Otherwise I'd give it a go and see what happens, if I thought it were worth it, then report the results to doctors (or get ill and see them anyway). I'm actually considering importing an NRI but will do my homework before I actually do it including getting a BNF and reading up. I've imported accutane (after being prescribed it only once as a teenager and refused permission later on) and happy with the results and aware of the long term risks and willing to take them anyway. Don't try this is home... I'm aware of the high risk of doing things like this but willing anyway. I feel driven to these lengths by the low standard of treatment available here.

As for behavioral interventions, can't see anyone talking about that? I'm aware that excessive rumination and disorganisation is a problem, but can't seem to anything about it. I've seen some improvement in basic time-management techniques. They're only useful if you know what your values and goals are anyway, which I struggle with most of the time. I think it will only go so far though, and doesn't help in social situations which is where my main problem is. People are generally dumb (and very dumb when it comes to understanding psychology) as you have probably realised, and can't make sense of someone like me using their stereotypes and with their other cog biases, so tend to just think of someone like me as stupid or weird when I come across as awkard because of being scatty, so alienation and acedie is inevitable. I hope that when I emigrate to a different more sane country where people are generally friendlier and have stronger family I may be able to fit in. I doubt it though. People are so incredibly ignorant and intolerant in general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGurE-BGfNk&feature=relmfu

If you look at 40:10 here, I feel similarly pessimistic.

I just had a look through some of Barkley's videos and it's good but not that good. I could tell just by the tone in his voice something's off. In the earlier link posted bear in mind the limitations in his research he himself mentioned, which I can see the effects of going through his videos.

edit - oh I got the section on causality and families, I'll switch off now.

If I had a child, I would never put him on these meds. Sure, he might fall behind some of the 'normal' people in academics, but theres a place for everyone.

Would I take them myself? Probably. But... It might do more harm than good in the long run.

If I had a child, I would never put him on these meds. Sure, he might fall behind some of the 'normal' people in academics, but theres a place for everyone.

Would I take them myself? Probably. But... It might do more harm than good in the long run.

I partially agree with you. Many many kids are diagnosed with ADHD when in fact the root of the problem is poor parenting. But in severe cases the side effects are marginal compared to effects. So when in doubt don't give or take the meds.