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Am I stuck in a dream?

this


is getting out of hand...

Do you really think there is no difference between a public forum post and an ebook?

By posting them on a public forum, I have implicitly granted permission for anyone to read my words. If I publish them in a book that I offer for $1,000,000, there is nothing to indicate that you have a right to that information. If you think that's an unreasonable price, you have the option of not purchasing it.

I think we're not going to see eye to eye on this, but perhaps we can at least agree to not discourage people from purchasing materials from respected members of the DC community if that is against the wishes of the copyright holder?

i apologize to improva for derailing his thread, and i don't wish him ill will in any way. i came off too strong before (especially the Thoreau quote), but trying to make someone feel bad for just wanting to learn sucks so bad, and i had to say something.

and comparing a forum post to a book was a bad analogy. but imo, merely making a work available for public consumption is a conscious desire to put information out into the world. once a thought is out in the wild through your conscious intent, regardless of the price of that first copy, you don't get to say who gets access to it anymore. intellectual property as analogous to physical property is a myth. you can repeat it as often as you want, but when i am taking nothing from you and do not claim authorship of your ideas, i cannot have stolen from you.

how have i stolen from you? what do you have less of that you had before? how can you quantitatively prove it? it's nonsense.

Whether or not intellectual property is analogous to physical property isn't my issue with your post, I just think it's massively disrespectful to the author to go posting in one of their threads saying that people are being stupid for buying their work. If you don't believe in intellectual property that's your prerogative but making posts in these threads is just a dick move.

Am I stuck in a dream?

That would explain the unicorns.

Looks to me like your throwing together a lot of nonsensical gibberish nawhead... EUSSI should be thankful that he hasn't been banned for a) admitting to violating Improva's copyright and b) trying to motivate others to do the same and c) acting like this isn't even important.

Am I stuck in a dream?

You’re waiting for a train. A train that will take you far away. You know where you hope this train will take you, but you can’t be sure. Yet it doesn’t matter. Now, tell me why?

I think that it can be argued that if someone creates intellectual property that is meant to give the people who study it an advantage over those who don't, that advantage is diluted when more people own it. When the author isn't compensated it hurts his bottom line regardless of the fact that is was disseminated electronically.

Whether or not intellectual property is analogous to physical property isn't my issue with your post, I just think it's massively disrespectful to the author to go posting in one of their threads saying that people are being stupid for buying their work. If you don't believe in intellectual property that's your prerogative but making posts in these threads is just a dick move.

i'd rather look like a dick and make my convictions known then let someone get made fun of for something that i don't think anyone should feel ashamed of (wanting knowledge). i wouldn't feel right about myself otherwise.

and for the record, i never said people are stupid for buying improva's book [edit: oh it was in reference to EUSSI's post... well i don't disagree with the spirit of his argument, but i wouldn't have worded it like that]. improva is a great player, and i've been reading and listening to him for years, and he deserves all the shekels for sharing so much of his knowledge with us for free on the forums and interviews. but that still doesn't change how i feel about intellectual property laws, and i already mentioned my reason for posting, so it is what it is.

and Estist, this is an important issue. you're right about that.

You are attempting to change the argument to be about one's moral quest for wanting knowledge. While clever, it is simply a smoke and mirror attempt at diverting attention from the real issue, theft. Does one not get punished for stealing bread? All he wanted was to eat. Does one not get punished for stealing a soda? He only wanted to drink. I hope you can see why "wanting knowledge," while noble, is irrelevant.

Whether there is an easy or difficult way to protect it, it does not make stealing it right. Whether it is only a small part of one's income, it does not matter. All of these are just excuses.

You are attempting to change the argument to be about one's moral quest for wanting knowledge. While clever, it is simply a smoke and mirror attempt at diverting attention from the real issue, theft. Does one not get punished for stealing bread? All he wanted was to eat. Does one not get punished for stealing a soda? He only wanted to drink. I hope you can see why "wanting knowledge," while noble, is irrelevant.

Whether there is an easy or difficult way to protect it, it does not make stealing it right. Whether it is only a small part of one's income, it does not matter. All of these are just excuses.

Def this. People aren't criticizing you for "wanting knowledge" they are criticizing you for stealing from somebody who contributes a great deal to this community

You are attempting to change the argument to be about one's moral quest for wanting knowledge. While clever, it is simply a smoke and mirror attempt at diverting attention from the real issue, theft. Does one not get punished for stealing bread? All he wanted was to eat. Does one not get punished for stealing a soda? He only wanted to drink. I hope you can see why "wanting knowledge," while noble, is irrelevant.

Whether there is an easy or difficult way to protect it, it does not make stealing it right. Whether it is only a small part of one's income, it does not matter. All of these are just excuses.

I'm trying to develop reads for real life and am curios; do you consider yourself religious/conservative? Note I'm not questioning your post here.

You are attempting to change the argument to be about one's moral quest for wanting knowledge. While clever, it is simply a smoke and mirror attempt at diverting attention from the real issue, theft. Does one not get punished for stealing bread? All he wanted was to eat. Does one not get punished for stealing a soda? He only wanted to drink. I hope you can see why "wanting knowledge," while noble, is irrelevant.

Whether there is an easy or difficult way to protect it, it does not make stealing it right. Whether it is only a small part of one's income, it does not matter. All of these are just excuses.

I agree. I dont understand how people believe that if someone else creates or produces something, then they are entitled to it free of charge.

I just think it's massively disrespectful to the author to go posting in one of their threads saying that people are being stupid for buying their work. If you don't believe in intellectual property that's your prerogative but making posts in these threads is just a dick move.

Where did i say that people are being stupid for buying their work ?

btw im pretty shoked about the amount of pussyness in these forums the last couple of weeks.
everyone seems to be acting like a little 6y old boy that has just lost his piece of candy.

I already apoligized to oliver in this thread & i noted why i downloaded it & why i dont feel bad about downloading it.
I also noted that its an outdated version & the package is waaaaay more then that.
I never said it was dumb or stupid to pay for his package (like shuttle repedetly inclined)
I DID said it was dumb not to download good content if you get the chance to.

Your all acting like you never downloaded a movie or a cd before in your life.
I mean, give me a break will ya.

And about banning me, sure go ahead, what does it matter ?
I just make another acount and will be back being my honoust self like im being right now.
you got a problem with that ? OK, i dont mind getting critisism. I dont mind being wrong & having people say whats right, you learn from that & so do i.
but acting like your all a bunch of angles that never downloaded something from the internet before, cmon, stop being a bunch of little pussy's and be fair & honoust...

I agree. I dont understand how people believe that if someone else creates or produces something, then they are entitled to it free of charge.

The alternative view is that old content is a useful promotional tool for an author. Have you ever heard of "payola"? Record companies used to bribe radio stations to play their records. They did this because it paid in extra sales.

I actually flagged a copy of Poker Puzzle to Improva a couple of years ago, and he said it was out of date, so didn't care about it

It's like DC offering a free week of access: the intelligent business view is that it is promotional. Similarly, Tri will have free extracts of his books avaialble to read.

The free-loader that grabs ebooks starting out very often is the paying customer later on. Calling it "theft" is wrong: no property is removed. It's morally wrong, but it isn't theft.