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ThierryHenry

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I just moved to this table about 2 orbits ago from a broken game. It is a 10 handed 1/3 NL game. Table is very loose with usually 5+ players seeing a flop in a raised pot. One guy is doing a lot of preflop raising, but nobody has 3bet preflop yet.

Relevent reads:

SB ($900): Has limped in every single hand. One hand of note is he called a preflop raise with Q6o in MP. He overcalled a bet on a T55 flop with players to act behind him. Called a 9 turn and made a pretty big raise on a 5 river 3ways.

CO ($350): A loud drunk. Raising about 80% of his hand preflop to $12. He was at my broken game and he usually min bet postflop with weak hands and bet stronger with top pair type hands.

Hero ($350): Seen as tight by anyone paying attention.

The rest of the players seemed loose/passive to varying degrees.

Hero is dealt QDiamond JDiamond in EP.

Preflop: 2 limpers, Hero limps, another limper, CO limps, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop ($21 - 7 players): JHeart TDiamond 3Diamond
Checked to Hero who bets $20, CO calls, Button calls, SB raises to $80, Hero...?

Posted 9 months ago

Dipl.Komp.

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Joined 06/2012

it´s really difficult. i would lean towords a fold here. you´re sandwiched and you may be up against a better flush draw and a set or two pair. you haven´t invested that much, it´s possibly better to let this one go and wait for a better opportunity to get your money in.

Posted 9 months ago

medic2038

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I'm probably going to flat this raise, and see a turn card. However I'm still tossing around the idea of shipping too.

Given the SB is terrible, we have TP+FD and position.

JJ is pretty much out, 10s and 3s both play this way. However I think villain can definitely be doing this with a worse jack.

He can't have KQs here because we have the queen. What better flush draw could he be raising here, if it's a naked flush draw we're still in great shape (because we have TP and 2 diamond blockers).

I gave him a super wide range here, and we're in great shape:

Board: Jh Td 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.932% 71.21% 01.72% 81778 1977.00 { QdJd }
Hand 1: 27.068% 25.35% 01.72% 29108 1977.00 { TT, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, Kd5d, Kd4d, Kd3d, Kd2d, J7s+, T8s+, 98s, AJo-ATo, KJo, QJo, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }

Posted 9 months ago

Big Owl

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Unless I've seen him call off with a draw before, I flat.

Posted 9 months ago

Luke00016

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Joined 11/2009

Call and evaluate turn, with very little chance of folding. Medic already gave a good summary.

There are almost no bad cards for us on the turn. Overcards give us straight draws. Unders are fine because they won't improve villain's range. Diamonds make our hand.

Call, evaluate, plan on letting villain hang himself. Bet if checked to.

Posted 9 months ago

Contra

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Joined 03/2011

Think Medic did a good job.
There is also the value to be added by flatting and allowing the button to call as well. Allows us better value for our draw. Also reason to raise and push him out, but he is more likely to show us a hand that we have beat like QT or 9T with very little equity as opposed to a higher FD dominating FD that I would want to fold out.. I think it is very rare that the button is suddenly going to jam or something. Folding is not an option for me. R is possible too but would need more observations to provide reasons to do so. I think Medics point about no bad cards is very valuable and something I would not have thought of.

Posted 9 months ago

ThierryHenry

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I ended up shoving for a couple of reasons. First, based on how SB played the previous hand described in OP I decided that his range likely had a lot of hands that I have pretty good equity against. The second thing I considered were the 2 players behind me. There was a small chance one of them could have AJ/KJ and it would be a win to get them off of that. It also wouldn't be bad to get them off a better diamond draw in case I was behind SB. And finally I'm not sure I wanted to give OESD's odds to draw. I'm not 100% sure this was the best line to take, but this was my thought process at the time.

Posted 9 months ago

chad_daniels

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I ended up shoving for a couple of reasons. First, based on how SB played the previous hand described in OP I decided that his range likely had a lot of hands that I have pretty good equity against. The second thing I considered were the 2 players behind me. There was a small chance one of them could have AJ/KJ and it would be a win to get them off of that. It also wouldn't be bad to get them off a better diamond draw in case I was behind SB. And finally I'm not sure I wanted to give OESD's odds to draw. I'm not 100% sure this was the best line to take, but this was my thought process at the time.



I think I would have shoved too. I'm not really that worried about the two callers behind, and SB could really have a huge range and has shown that his skill level is low enough that he can get it in with a range that we are way ahead of. Calling really isn't a bad option here, and I have seen many good reasons for doing so, which almost convinced me, but my first inclination, before I read any of the others was to shove and get it heads up against the SB and double through.

Posted 9 months ago




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