medic2038
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So I was involved in a hand last night when this situation came up.
It was a small pot (like $20).
Guy bets 10, and I go to call. However I tossed out 2, $100s instead of 2, $5s ( I was fiddling around with my chips and thought I was shuffling a stack of 5s).
As soon as I realized what I did, I basically grabbed them and put 10 bucks in the pot. The dealer and both of the guys in the hand let it go, it clearly wasn't intentional (I'm sure my eyes were about as big as saucers as soon as I saw 2 black chips in the pot instead of 2 reds).
Later when the table broke up, the guy that won the hand said "you should toss me 50 for not taking your 200".
Thoughts, opinions?
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shuttle
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I think the dealer shouldn't let this happen because it opens up a ton of angleshoots when this sort of thing is let stand.
That said if it's clearly unintentional and nobody minds then there's no problem and also it ends there at that time, I don't think you owe anyone anything so long as the issue is sorted out before the next street is dealt.
But just take this as a lesson to be more careful with your high denomination chips or to verbally announce your actions.
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medic2038
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For sure! I always announce a raise. However I generally don't announce "call" or "fold", after last night I was thinking I might want to start to verbalize calls. Additionally I always announce the amount that I bet.
I mean it was pretty clearly UNintentional. I'm not one to try to angle at all, and the guy involved in the hand said something along the lines of "that's not the way I want to make money" so luckily he was pretty honest as well.
I didn't feel obligated to pay him, so I didn't. I mean honestly I would have done the same thing for anyone else (like someone saying "all in" while telling a story or whatnot), without expecting to get paid.
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Contra
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sweetjazz3
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Where I play, that is usually what happens unless there is action behind you. As soon as someone acts behind you, then your action has to stand. So for example, had the person behind you been planning to raise to 50 and put in 50 after your bet, I think your bet would have to stand and the other player would either have to call or be asked if he wants to call 200, depending on the casino's rules of whether a partial call counts as a call.
I agree with your adjustment of verbalizing all your actions. I also think its a bad idea to be shuffling big denomination chips, even though it can be tempting. If you are a chip shuffler, work on accumulating enough $1 chips (or whatever the smallest denomination is) and use those to shuffle.
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SupremeNinja
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If the two $100 chips were thrown in, it should be played. I'm surprised the dealer let that slide.
As shuttle stated, it opens up a lot of angle shooting if a poker room lets these things slide. The fact that it was 'clearly unintentional' is irrelevant.
With that said, since the dealer let you take the bet back, no, I wouldn't give the villain any money (i.e. the $50). He should have had the floor called if he felt your raise should be played, and let them make the decision.
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