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Jimbothegreatest

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Ok, this is a hand vs an aggro fish who "will call any bet pre flop with any two cards" (his own words). I have used this against him several times, raising pre, watching him call, and then not letting him on the fact that I know he hasn't yet looked at his cards. Taking down 70% of pots on the flop.

He is generally a pretty aggro player, but I hadn't played with him for a while when this hand went down. He seemed like he had improved a bit, toned it down somewhat, though I'm pretty sure that when he goes on tilt he'll spray money around the table for us all. Until then, I know I have to play careful vs him.

In this hand, I have Ac6c UTG. It's a £1-£2 table and I am £300 deep; the villain has me covered, and most other players are sitting on around £200.

I limp. Player on my immediate left makes it £7, one caller, Villain calls on the button, and both blinds call. I call.

Pot is £42
Flop comes AHeart ASpade 2Club

I bet £21. Villain is the only caller, after a few moments of deliberation.

Pot is £84. Turn is J Spade

I bet £33 and villain again considers and calls.

Pot is £150. River is 5s.

Now what would everyone do? Any ideas on the optimal line? What does everyone think of the hand so far, on all streets?

Posted 11 months ago

NinaWilliams

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betting this flop is a big mistake. You have an awesome bluff catcher but it's very hard to get called by worse.

Posted 11 months ago

sweetjazz3

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betting this flop is a big mistake. You have an awesome bluff catcher but it's very hard to get called by worse.



Yeah, it's really important to see this. Also, you can frequently get more value when ahead if the flop checks through. Random guy with J9o will always call a turn bet and often will call a well-priced river value bet as well.

Posted 11 months ago

StueysKid

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Jimbothegreatest

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At every stage of this hand, I'm folding to a raise... If I'm betting into this board, I don't see anyone thinking it's a good spot to bluff... I understand the bluff catcher thing, because when I bet one and then two streets no-one should EVER be calling with worse right?

BUT... I'm betting because I'm blocking. This aggro guy isn't going to bluff me on this board, and when he calls the flop I would have to say he PROBABLY has an Ace. So I bet the turn again, blocking. I don't see how he can raise at any stage without having me beat. But I don't want to check and then have to call what I presume will be a much bigger bet from him, hoping that he's bluffing (when he probably isn't).

River is very bad for me. If it had come a K, Q, T, I was going to pot it and see if I could fold out a split. But now my 6 kicker plays, and there is yet another Ace that is beating me.

At the time I bet the river, £55. But I thought simply check-folding was probably best in hindsight ?

Posted 11 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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Yeah, it's really important to see this. Also, you can frequently get more value when ahead if the flop checks through. Random guy with J9o will always call a turn bet and often will call a well-priced river value bet as well.




Yes I see your point. Most players aren't ever calling me here. And lots of players are checking anyway if they have deuces full or trips... Gives me a chance to suck out, or at least to save some money when I'm crushed... I shouldn't really want to play a big pot...

How about if we have A9 here? Now we are ahead of most calling ranges yes? So we bet £40 or something, knowing someone else with an ace just isn't ever folding?

Posted 11 months ago

ccheiden

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Good points everyone. I would always play it just like OP thinking I was going to get floated by any pocket pair.

Posted 11 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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He calls on the river and shows A4, so my kicker plays.
On the river, one of the few Aces I'm beating is now beating me. I don't really want to check-fold; in hindsight, I think this might have been the best play (vs his range here). But he was a bluffy player and I didn't really want him to bluff me off this. I didn't put him on a big Ace because he would have raised pre.

If river had been a King, Queen or Ten, I was planning on betting the pot to make him fold a split. Same if the river came a 4, but for different reason obviously!

Posted 11 months ago

pokergarden

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I love how every live hand post starts with:

"I limp."

Posted 11 months ago

abombaaron

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on this flop 6 handed i think its close between c/c donk turn and bet fold bf bf 3 streets. I think i like the bf line

Posted 11 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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I love how every live hand post starts with:

"I limp."



lol

I limp very little as it happens.

Posted 10 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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on this flop 6 handed i think its close between c/c donk turn and bet fold bf bf 3 streets. I think i like the bf line




B/f all three streets was pretty much the line I was taking.
However, on the river I think a simple check-fold is much better?

Posted 10 months ago

UU!I.I.4AAUU35

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Wait you say he's aggro and bluffy, why not c/c?

Posted 10 months ago

Jimbothegreatest

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Wait you say he's aggro and bluffy, why not c/c?



On the river you mean? Or on all streets?
By the river, I was pretty sure he had the Ace.

Posted 10 months ago

shuttle

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betting this flop is a big mistake. You have an awesome bluff catcher but it's very hard to get called by worse.


Totally this.

Leading out here is a complete disaster, think about his range and how it reacts to a bet and how it reacts to a check.

Posted 10 months ago




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