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A 2+2er in disguise...
But would you do the same if you have Aces?
Let's face it, 9 way to the flop and you're PROBABLY losing vs 9 players. Though remember this is a very good board. Not many 2 pair combos here.

Are you implying you would limp with AA?

In a 9 way limped pot 2 pair is highly more likely than if it were raised. The last few people to limp can have any 2 cards

But would you do the same if you have Aces?

Think about the difference between those two hands and the reasons we bet.

AA KK are hands we'd be c-betting for value. We can get calls From JJ TT and any Qx hands. Not nearly the hand equivalent of TT.

Saying AA = TT here is completely absurd.

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Are you implying you would limp with AA?

In a 9 way limped pot 2 pair is highly more likely than if it were raised. The last few people to limp can have any 2 cards

I definitely would, and have limped with AA a number of times before. I play those situations pretty good to be honest. In this case, however, I didn't limp, I raised here though - just so happened that 9 ppl called.

Saying AA = TT here is completely absurd.

No I'm not saying that.
Though to any good player this must surely be the minimum I'm repping (and yes, there are a couple of good players in this game).
What I am saying is, that if I C-bet and am raised I am going to have to assume that one pair is no good, even if that pair is Aces.

I agree that betting here is turning our hand into a bluff.

Stop limping with Aces.

What I am saying is, that if I C-bet and am raised I am going to have to assume that one pair is no good, even if that pair is Aces.

I agree that betting here is turning our hand into a bluff.

You're still not thinking this through very clearly. The fact that you'll fold AA or TT or any other non-set pocket pair in this situation is irrelevant. Why? Because you aren't betting with the intention of getting raised. That's one of the possible outcomes, but not the goal of your bet.

It is important to always clearly understand [u]why[/u] you're taking an action. Why would you bet or check in this spot with TT? Why would you bet or check in this spot with AA? What can we learn when we compare our answers?

On topic: In this spot with our hand I'm checking and praying to bink a set on the turn. I can't do the math at the moment, but I'm assuming that when we get called we have 5% equity (to hit our set on the turn) so we would need significant fold equity to make a c-bet a +EV action and I just think we'll never actually have enough fold equity.

Edit: Re-reading after posting, I don't mean to come off as insulting. You may be thinking things through clearly, but as far as reading the thread it doesn't look like you're explaining clearly.

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that really made me lol after a terrible session

Go's to the flp 9 handed, check fold.

I definitely would, and have limped with AA a number of times before. I play those situations pretty good to be honest. In this case, however, I didn't limp, I raised here though - just so happened that 9 ppl called.

Oh I forgot there was a raise. Doesn't really change the fact that callers number 7,8,9 can have any 2 cards.

*Are any of the players capable of folding a Queen to me here? Considering my table image (dominating, the only player that seems to be using big bets and winning big pots, and have shown down mostly big hands - AA, KK, and flopped house once), I would say that yes, SOME of the players at this table are folding Queens to a bet here. So I am imagining more fold equity than some of you would probably credit. But it is there.

I'm in the "check/fold" is standard camp, BUT ... if you have a really tight image to the point that people are commenting that you must have a big hand every time you raise preflop or you have solid reads that a lot of players are calling preflop but willing to fold a bare Qx to a single big flop bet, then you can consider placing a single bet as a partial bluff. (You're bluffing a large percentage of the field, even if you recognize that there are one or two players in the field who will never fold Qx for any amount.) Depending on stack sizes and reads, you could even consider making a large bet size (anywhere from $100 to $150) to represent how a typical nitty live player would play AA. Of course, you're giving yourself a worse price, but in some cases adding to your bet size can greatly increase your fold equity. In a pot like this, a bet like $75 might be interpreted by typical live regulars as possibly a whiffed AK, while $110 might look like business with AA / KK. (Of course, they'd expect you to check back QQ here, lol, which you should never do.)

I'm in the "check/fold" is standard camp, BUT ... if you have a really tight image to the point that people are commenting that you must have a big hand every time you raise preflop or you have solid reads that a lot of players are calling preflop but willing to fold a bare Qx to a single big flop bet, then you can consider placing a single bet as a partial bluff. (You're bluffing a large percentage of the field, even if you recognize that there are one or two players in the field who will never fold Qx for any amount.) Depending on stack sizes and reads, you could even consider making a large bet size (anywhere from $100 to $150) to represent how a typical nitty live player would play AA. Of course, you're giving yourself a worse price, but in some cases adding to your bet size can greatly increase your fold equity. In a pot like this, a bet like $75 might be interpreted by typical live regulars as possibly a whiffed AK, while $110 might look like business with AA / KK. (Of course, they'd expect you to check back QQ here, lol, which you should never do.)

Yes. I have a very strong image, I've showed AA twice, Kings, and Queens so far. I probably should have mentioned this when setting up the hand. This is the main reason I bet. £65.

I also completely agree that if I'd bet more it would have looked exactly like I had Aces. But I decided to bet the amount I would have bet if I'd had AA or KK.

So I bet £65. One guy dwells forever, telling everyone that he has either gotta shove or fold, calling is silly... (basically he has a Queen). then he shoves. This was his very first hand. If he had been at the table for any length of time I'm confident he folds.

If you really want them to believe you have aces you should snap call the shove

If you really want them to believe you have aces you should snap call the shove

I did.