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First of all, we can win the pot immediately. This is actually a pretty good result.

This is incredibly unlikely in live pokers. You'll go multiway often and it's not a spot where you want to make the average hand A9 makes.

This is incredibly unlikely in live pokers. You'll go multiway often and it's not a spot where you want to make the average hand A9 makes.

as opposed to what's going to happen now?

It also happens more than you'd think. You make it 40-45 after a few limpers and once you get past the first one theres a pretty good chance they all fold.

as opposed to what's going to happen now?

It also happens more than you'd think. You make it 40-45 after a few limpers and once you get past the first one theres a pretty good chance they all fold.

Yeah that's true. It's not rare to see 5 people limp and they all fold to a decent raise, and If you get a caller there's a good chance he's fit or fold post flop.

as opposed to what's going to happen now?

Yeah, as opposed to what's going to happen now, they are completely different situations. If you limp then it's a spot where you have no problem making the average hand A9 makes, because they are very easy to play. Meanwhile, you get much bigger IO on making something big compared to how much you've put in preflop.

Yeah, as opposed to what's going to happen now, they are completely different situations. If you limp then it's a spot where you have no problem making the average hand A9 makes, because they are very easy to play. Meanwhile, you get much bigger IO on making something big compared to how much you've put in preflop.

The average hand that A9 makes is no pair/one pair type hands. These hands are better in shorthanded pots than in multiway pots. Also, its much easier to get stacks in in a bloated pot than in a small limped pot especially if the game is playing deep. You might not even stack someone with flush over flush in a limped pot for example.

The average hand that A9 makes is no pair/one pair type hands. These hands are better in shorthanded pots than in multiway pots. Also, its much easier to get stacks in in a bloated pot than in a small limped pot especially if the game is playing deep. You might not even stack someone with flush over flush in a limped pot for example.

But if you say that people have a high chance of folding preflop then that implies that the hands you actually get to a flop versus ranges that make A9 fairly weak - like it certainly implies that people are folding their weak hands to raises but still calling good Ax that dominate us, as well as hands that make our pair of 9s weaker when its middle pair. It actually means that those one pair hands aren't particular amazing for getting value postflop.

Yeah no pair or one pair are "better" in shorthanded pots than in multiway pots, but that's not a problem if we spend a lot less getting to the flop as a trade-off. And something that's way more important is SPR which when we create a 20-30bb pot with A9s, the SPR is actually kinda sucky for making one pairs with that hand. Meanwhile, the limped pot situation SPR is fine because we have no problem just pot controlling, protecting our stack or folding while the pot is still pretty small.

It's true you may not stack someone with flush over flush but you will likely get a lot from it, and when compared to our 1bb preflop call the implied odds are a lot higher. We trade that off for the fold equity we lose out on by not raising.

You may be trying to find the bottom of his range here and it seems a set is very likely since he bet so large on the two-tone board. He's probably protecting against flushes with 66, or 88, b/c if he is solid its unlikely he slowplayed AA,KK, or QQ in a multiway situation without a decent raise. Your paired flush outs are dead here I believe which reduces your equity further. The SPR will be around 1:1 on the turn, so a fold seems to be the best option here.