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Ass Get to Jigglin

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I open KQs from UTG to $15. SB, who a) I had seen donk a Q44r board and fold to a minraise and who b) seemed pretty nitty post flop, makes it $35. BB cold calls. I have 125BB and they both cover me. Can I call this in position getting better than 4 to 1 immediate, or is it just a fold?

Posted 12 months ago

micsquab

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I fold your hand is going to be dominated here more often than not vs. a live players sb min raise 3 bet. If you do hit the sb is nitty post flop so you might not get paid off. Just calling allows the bb to stay in the hand with all his pps axs scs wich drives your hands equity down. KQs is too weak to 4bet fold vs. sb range. Not saying I am absolutely right here but this is my first impression about the spot.

Posted 12 months ago

FaceMyAlterEgo

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You are getting 4,25:1 with with KQs ip, so I call all day. Even if both guys ranges are really tight, you have position and a great price with a well floping hand. As long as you know when to get a way, I am certain this hand can be plaid profitably in that spot.

Posted 12 months ago

Ass Get to Jigglin

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Okay, say I call, and the board comes KT4dd and SB makes it $50 into $105, BB folds. What's your play?

Posted 12 months ago

ccheiden

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I think this is a spot where if you're not comfortable vs. these opponents on said board then you should be folding preflop. No?

Posted 12 months ago

TecmoSuperBowl

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Fold. You're basically hoping to hit a straight and then fade a boat vs his likely very tight range.

Edit - just saw that you are suited. That makes it closer for obvious reasons, but I still don't like playing this hand vs SB's range.

Posted 12 months ago

FaceMyAlterEgo

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on a K high flop I would call, and depending on your reads may consider folding turn. I have to say though, if you really think that sb is on QQ+ AK than folding pre may be right

Posted 12 months ago

shuttle

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Super shitty spot and I think this is a fold pre, they need to be making this play with some bluffs or some JJ type hands in order to call and I think that's unlikely given the description of the player. If they have a range of JJ+, AK here then it's going to be super tough to turn a profit postflop as that range outflops you the vast majority of the time and on the flops where you both miss you have little fold equity postflop.

Posted 12 months ago

SCS

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3 betting ranges live are so super tight, wouldn't surprise me if villain's 3 bet range in this spot is just KK+. I would just fold preflop; you're basically hoping to flop 2 pair or better, which won't happen that often, and when you do you have some reverse implied odds. You also have no semibluffing potential because even when you flop a draw, villain isn't folding an overpair, which is the majority (all probably) of his range.

Posted 12 months ago

FaceMyAlterEgo

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maybe my thinking was coming too much from an online perspective

Posted 12 months ago

pokergarden

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Probably would rather call here with something like 9Ts than KQs, but I think given the odds you just have to call. You have position on the cold call in the blinds, and you guys are fairly deep. I just can't see folding anything here that was worth opening.

Posted 12 months ago

SupremeNinja

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This is a pretty sick spot.

You can't fold PF because you're getting more than 4 to 1 with KQs and position.

Unfortunately, you get trapped by the flop. It all comes down to your read on the player.

I would fold with info. you provided because you've only invest $35, and you're only getting to showdown with all your stacks in (often far behind).

Posted 12 months ago

shuttle

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You can't fold PF because you're getting more than 4 to 1 with KQs and position.


Very flawed reasoning.

Posted 12 months ago

SupremeNinja

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Very flawed reasoning.



I'd make the $20 call with any two suited cards.

Posted 12 months ago

SCS

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I'd make the $20 call with any two suited cards.



And fold when you hit top pair?

Posted 12 months ago




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