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Silly me, indeed 3 combos of 44.Either way it all comes down to how good or not is she, versus a good player i do think its a fold especially given the small raise size.Honestly i made a lot of calls myself in this types of situations vs terrible ppl,some of them bad but what im trying to say here is that in a deep stacked game i would have folded.
In this situation i would have probably called > shoved >fold given the stack sizes, but i wouldnt be very happy about either.

by "good player" do you mean nit?

people use 'good' to mean 'predictable and non-spewy.' to be fair, at a lot of live SSNL tables, that will make you a winner who has an edge on 95% of the field.

people use 'good' to mean 'predictable and non-spewy.' to be fair, at a lot of live SSNL tables, that will make you a winner who has an edge on 95% of the field.

good point.

I find it is hard to find the right balance between spewy and creative. Playing predictable makes poker such a boring job though.

good point.

I find it is hard to find the right balance between spewy and creative. Playing predictable makes poker such a boring job though.

Jobs are boring imo

Get your money in. Every time.

You don't have CLOSE to enough information on her to make a fold like that.

With 100bb stacks, you can't be afraid to get your money in on that board. She could easily have AK, 44, A4suited in that spot. C'est la vie. Next hand.

Get your money in. Every time.

You don't have CLOSE to enough information on her to make a fold like that.

With 100bb stacks, you can't be afraid to get your money in on that board. She could easily have AK, 44, A4suited in that spot. C'est la vie. Next hand.

If she has A4s in her range this is an easy shove

good point.

I find it is hard to find the right balance between spewy and creative. Playing predictable makes poker such a boring job though.

spewy is -ev

the key is just to know your player. adapt your lines to your opponents

I think we are all agree were getting it in here 100%.

Say we decided to open with a weaker hand cus we have position on these 2 weak players, perhaps we have A8s now do we call ? how bad of an ace do we call with ??

Just as a side note I dont think we can really include boats in her range very often, a villian like this is almost always flatting when she has a boat IMO. infact that goes for most of the 1/2 player pool especially when theres a draw out there that they think its possible you are chasing. ( Its one of those rare instances where almost everyone is forced into multi-level thinking to some degree) by the same token we can rest assure she is prolly raising any ace no ?? (not always these days. regulars might take more of a "get to showdown line" even though they are almost never folding.) but from her description I think she is prolly raising all aces and she could have any ace p/f right ??

What do you think is the weakest hand we can call with here ?

Some live psychology relevant to this hand:

* Most live players are not checkraising A4 or 44 here. "I have a full house -- I will slowplay and check/raise turn or river!"
* Many live players would play AK through A2 the same here (excluding A4 as covered above). "I have the best hand but a flush draw is possible! No free cards! I hope I take the pot down with my check/raise!"
* While live players are passive in many ways, you can't ignore the spazz factor. "I think my 66 might be best, let me check/raise and find out!" or "I think he has queens, he can't call if I check/raise him with two aces on board!" or "I have a flush draw, this is a great spot to semibluff!" or "I'm ready to go home, let me make a move like the pros do before I go home!", etc.

Overall, I first though folding here is between awful and atrocious, but I now think it is substantially worse than either of those descriptions.

Some live psychology relevant to this hand:

* Most live players are not checkraising A4 or 44 here. "I have a full house -- I will slowplay and check/raise turn or river!"
* Many live players would play AK through A2 the same here (excluding A4 as covered above). "I have the best hand but a flush draw is possible! No free cards! I hope I take the pot down with my check/raise!"
* While live players are passive in many ways, you can't ignore the spazz factor. "I think my 66 might be best, let me check/raise and find out!" or "I think he has queens, he can't call if I check/raise him with two aces on board!" or "I have a flush draw, this is a great spot to semibluff!" or "I'm ready to go home, let me make a move like the pros do before I go home!", etc.

Overall, I first though folding here is between awful and atrocious, but I now think it is substantially worse than either of those descriptions.

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