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Honestly saying "I SHOVE HERE LOLOLOMG" is the easiest answer.Personally as i said i would have call/folded to that raise but i would have snap called it she shoved.
With such a stack the villain would have shoved with any Ax, but instead she basically raised so small leaving money behind.
From my live experience unless she is super bad villain will show up with 44 most of the times.
We are losing from 3 combos of AK and 6 combos of 44 as i doubt she has A4 cold calling the 3 bet.
If i understand the board was 2 tone but i doubt she would ever barrel with a draw on a paired board.
So actually what we are winning is only AJ(3 combos) if she is super bad or chop at best(2 combos).
9 combos we lose 3 combos we win 2 combos we chop and you basically have to call her all-in on the next street.
So it all comes down to whats your read, if your think she is super bad go ahead and shove but i rarely see you winning vs a solid player here.

Honestly saying "I SHOVE HERE LOLOLOMG" is the easiest answer.Personally as i said i would have call/folded to that raise but i would have snap called it she shoved.
With such a stack the villain would have shoved with any Ax, but instead she basically raised so small leaving money behind.
From my live experience unless she is super bad villain will show up with 44 most of the times.
We are losing from 3 combos of AK and 6 combos of 44 as i doubt she has A4 cold calling the 3 bet.
If i understand the board was 2 tone but i doubt she would ever barrel with a draw on a paired board.
So actually what we are winning is only AJ(3 combos) if she is super bad or chop at best(2 combos).
9 combos we lose 3 combos we win 2 combos we chop and you basically have to call her all-in on the next street.
So it all comes down to whats your read, if your think she is super bad go ahead and shove but i rarely see you winning vs a solid player here.

There are only 3 combos of 44, so 6 combos beat us. You can't just assume villain to be playing tight after you saw her calling K2s. She could easily pick up ATs and decide it is too pretty to fold. Then she flops trips and thinks she has a monster so she raises.
Also the board is not rainbow, so you should add at least a few combos of flush draws.

But let's count the odds first. She raised 115 leaving 68, so she had 183. There is exactly $110 in the pot with our $40 CB. If we shove we have to put $143 more to win 110+183+143=$436.
143/436= 0,32 - almost 2:1 odds!
If we give her range: AK, 44, AQ - we have 31,8% odds. Add AJ and it's 45%!
Do you still think it is a fold?

Silly me, indeed 3 combos of 44.Either way it all comes down to how good or not is she, versus a good player i do think its a fold especially given the small raise size.Honestly i made a lot of calls myself in this types of situations vs terrible ppl,some of them bad but what im trying to say here is that in a deep stacked game i would have folded.
In this situation i would have probably called > shoved >fold given the stack sizes, but i wouldnt be very happy about either.

We already know she isn't that good and if we have no information that should be our assumption anyway. Also, saying "I doubt she has A4 cold calling the 3bet" is not a statement with which I agree. People love their Ax hands and we simply don't know enough about her to make this statement. Just because we would never call a 3bet w/ A4 doesn't mean she wouldn't.

Honestly, I'd be shocked if TT wasn't in her range here.

Silly me, indeed 3 combos of 44.Either way it all comes down to how good or not is she, versus a good player i do think its a fold especially given the small raise size.Honestly i made a lot of calls myself in this types of situations vs terrible ppl,some of them bad but what im trying to say here is that in a deep stacked game i would have folded.
In this situation i would have probably called > shoved >fold given the stack sizes, but i wouldnt be very happy about either.

by "good player" do you mean nit?

people use 'good' to mean 'predictable and non-spewy.' to be fair, at a lot of live SSNL tables, that will make you a winner who has an edge on 95% of the field.

people use 'good' to mean 'predictable and non-spewy.' to be fair, at a lot of live SSNL tables, that will make you a winner who has an edge on 95% of the field.

good point.

I find it is hard to find the right balance between spewy and creative. Playing predictable makes poker such a boring job though.

good point.

I find it is hard to find the right balance between spewy and creative. Playing predictable makes poker such a boring job though.

Jobs are boring imo

Get your money in. Every time.

You don't have CLOSE to enough information on her to make a fold like that.

With 100bb stacks, you can't be afraid to get your money in on that board. She could easily have AK, 44, A4suited in that spot. C'est la vie. Next hand.

Get your money in. Every time.

You don't have CLOSE to enough information on her to make a fold like that.

With 100bb stacks, you can't be afraid to get your money in on that board. She could easily have AK, 44, A4suited in that spot. C'est la vie. Next hand.

If she has A4s in her range this is an easy shove

good point.

I find it is hard to find the right balance between spewy and creative. Playing predictable makes poker such a boring job though.

spewy is -ev

the key is just to know your player. adapt your lines to your opponents

I think we are all agree were getting it in here 100%.

Say we decided to open with a weaker hand cus we have position on these 2 weak players, perhaps we have A8s now do we call ? how bad of an ace do we call with ??

Just as a side note I dont think we can really include boats in her range very often, a villian like this is almost always flatting when she has a boat IMO. infact that goes for most of the 1/2 player pool especially when theres a draw out there that they think its possible you are chasing. ( Its one of those rare instances where almost everyone is forced into multi-level thinking to some degree) by the same token we can rest assure she is prolly raising any ace no ?? (not always these days. regulars might take more of a "get to showdown line" even though they are almost never folding.) but from her description I think she is prolly raising all aces and she could have any ace p/f right ??

What do you think is the weakest hand we can call with here ?

Some live psychology relevant to this hand:

* Most live players are not checkraising A4 or 44 here. "I have a full house -- I will slowplay and check/raise turn or river!"
* Many live players would play AK through A2 the same here (excluding A4 as covered above). "I have the best hand but a flush draw is possible! No free cards! I hope I take the pot down with my check/raise!"
* While live players are passive in many ways, you can't ignore the spazz factor. "I think my 66 might be best, let me check/raise and find out!" or "I think he has queens, he can't call if I check/raise him with two aces on board!" or "I have a flush draw, this is a great spot to semibluff!" or "I'm ready to go home, let me make a move like the pros do before I go home!", etc.

Overall, I first though folding here is between awful and atrocious, but I now think it is substantially worse than either of those descriptions.

Some live psychology relevant to this hand:

* Most live players are not checkraising A4 or 44 here. "I have a full house -- I will slowplay and check/raise turn or river!"
* Many live players would play AK through A2 the same here (excluding A4 as covered above). "I have the best hand but a flush draw is possible! No free cards! I hope I take the pot down with my check/raise!"
* While live players are passive in many ways, you can't ignore the spazz factor. "I think my 66 might be best, let me check/raise and find out!" or "I think he has queens, he can't call if I check/raise him with two aces on board!" or "I have a flush draw, this is a great spot to semibluff!" or "I'm ready to go home, let me make a move like the pros do before I go home!", etc.

Overall, I first though folding here is between awful and atrocious, but I now think it is substantially worse than either of those descriptions.

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