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Amaryllis

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I have been playing for about 30 minutes and the table has been very loose passive all around, just like in my dreams. I have 6Heart7Spade in the big blind and check my option 6-ways. 

Flop: 3Heart 5Diamond 6Spade

Sb checks, I bet, one folds, others call and sb check-raises. We all call, 5 to the turn for 8 big bets. 

Turn: 3Heart 5Diamond 6Spade   8Diamond

 sb bets and I raise. I don't know much about him. He's been loose preflop, passive post, and at this time I have no notable showdown info on him. 

Flame away. Rest of hand later. 

Posted 11 months ago

Amaryllis

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Limit players seem to be run away by all these NLers with their shades and hoodies that roam around the Live Forum. I'm not giving up just yet though.

Posted 11 months ago

DeathDonkey

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Ok I'll start, why did you raise the turn?

Posted 11 months ago

BigBadBabar

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grandmofftarkin

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This looks like something out of SSHE. I'm not saying its right or wrong, just that it looks like a "protecting your hand" raise.

I'll admit that in the heat of the moment I might have done the same thing. With that said...

I dont think youre ahead of sb--he x/r the field so it makes me think it's for value. If the raise is to knock out any of the other three players (by giving them 11-2 instead of 10-1), then I don't know how often that works compared to the times you get 3bet. I also don't know how often you get anybody to fold a better 6x--the game is loose passive right?

Posted 11 months ago

SIide

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I don't like a turn raise either. I just call the turn and re-evaluate on the river.

Posted 11 months ago

Amaryllis

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Ok I'm glad all of you are on the same page (and me on another) because I might learn something here. I raised the turn because I have some equity here, and the pot being so large, I thought that if raising increases my chance of winning the pot even by a little, then it's worth it. There's a good chance I'm behind the check-raiser, but these guys are clueless and unpredictable. If I make my draw, fine. If I don't, I felt it was worth putting in that extra bet for a chance to get it heads up.

I need feedback here, that goes beyond head-nodding guys :-)

Grandmofftarkin: I wasn't just targeting better pairs. Also any over card. Not saying raising was correct...just giving more info so you guys show me why it wasn't.

Posted 11 months ago

grandmofftarkin

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I need feedback here, that goes beyond head-nodding guys.

Grandmofftarkin: I wasn't just targeting better pairs. Also any over card. Not saying raising was correct...just giving more info so you guys show me why it wasn't.


Poorly worded in my part. I was pretty sure you were targeting UI overcards in the field, not neccessarily 6x hands.

I'm a little with you though this raise is something that would have come to my mind for the reasons I mentioned--I read it and it was hammered home in SSHE. I think one thing that helps here is whether those same players in the field would just fold their UI overs for one bet anyway. Obv's if they have bdfd they don't fold, but KT or something is possibly folding for one bet regardless.

Posted 11 months ago

DeathDonkey

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It would be fine if there was a decent chance you are ahead, but when a loose passive guy checkraises the field on a 653 rainbow flop, you are in terrible shape. Raising the turn mostly just protects his hand for him, so I'm sure he will thank you, but it doesn't do much for you.

Posted 11 months ago

SIide

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I raised the turn because I have some equity here, and the pot being so large, I thought that if raising increases my chance of winning the pot even by a little, then it's worth it.



To elaborate on what DD is saying. You have a hand where if you hit your draw, it doesn't really matter if there are 2 people in the pot or 5. Basically, you don't/rarely increase your chances of winning by narrowing the field in this case.

Ask yourself, if we assume SB is ahead at this point, what hands are happy to fold out from the players left to act behind us?

Posted 11 months ago

grandmofftarkin

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It would be fine if there was a decent chance you are ahead, but when a loose passive guy checkraises the field on a 653 rainbow flop, you are in terrible shape. Raising the turn mostly just protects his hand for him, so I'm sure he will thank you, but it doesn't do much for you.


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To elaborate on what DD is saying. You have a hand where if you hit your draw, it doesn't really matter if there are 2 people in the pot or 5. Basically, you don't/rarely increase your chances of winning by narrowing the field in this case.

Ask yourself, if we assume SB is ahead at this point, what hands are happy to fold out from the players left to act behind us?



Whoa, I knew I was missing the connection somewhere. Thank you two for clarifying!

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