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Hi,

Was recently playing a 5/5 live game - Casino - fairly loose MP was playing wide range not aggro preflop. no previous metagame - I had a fairly LAG image though hadn't showed down any marginal holdings.

Would be interested to pick the brains of you all as to turn decision and reasoning/ups and downs of alternatives..

$5/5 6 max hero with $1.2k UTG opens with 75cc to $25, MP calls having you covered, flop is 643dd, hero cbets $40 MP calls, turn is 7ss, hero bets $110 MP raises to $360 action to hero..

Shoot

does the 7s put 2 spades on board?

No, sorry flop is 6d4d3h.

shove, plenty of draws in his range (even some sets) + he shouldn't be inclined to bluff River again.

I can't see a fold here. Only hand beating you is 58. And him being in the MP puts that usually way out of his range. I would shove to protect ur hand and get max value before the board gets too scary for his hand.

given that you have no special read on your opponent ( would he bluff river if you just called the turn?)
I would tend to agree with the above and just shove for value now.

Interesting. I have a few friends who play the 5/5 live and also alot online (w/ great success) They all seemed to think a call was the best option and see what happens on the river..

What is this trying to achieve?

Is this looking to induce a shove with air on river v villian? I dont think he is raising the turn here with air.. its unlikely a set because he raises flop 99% of time - 77 is case 7 so unlikely. Would two pair not just call behind - it seems the villian is value raising the turn majority of the time and is happy to call a raise.. is this a fair assumption?

So i guess its not about us having the best hand, its about them putting in more money with a worse hand and a shove will not accomplish that as often as a call would? - What if the diamond comes? Are we forcing a tough decision upon ourselves on the river OOP? Is this an additional reason for shoving the turn - 'protection' of our hand.

I might be over thinking this but i just want to understand peoples reasoning as to there decisions..

why didn't you ask them what their reasoning for calling is?

"To see what happens on the river" is a horrible advice here. How are you gonna change your plan and on what card?

If you ever think he might be bluffraising the turn with the intention of bluffing the River again, you had to be calling turn and calling any River. So nothing changes - pretty unlikely line at a 5/5 live game though.

If you think he's raising the turn with a draw, you loose value by not shoving - 5/5 nobody will ever fold to a shove, but most won't be bluffing the River.

If a guy decides to raise as a blocking bet (intention to cback the River) with a set or 2pair, shoving is also the best option, cause you won't make more money OTR when you're in front, but stack off, if he improves + 75% will still call your shove, although they planned to fold... -also pretty unlikely line aswell.

Obviously 80% of the time he has the straight aswell. Don't think 85s is to unlikely in a live loose game, but what is this gonna change? Are we check/folding a dry river? ;-)