craphoot
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1/2 No Limit Game on a Friday night in Atlantic City
I have K4s in the BB with ~$200 stack. 5 limps. I check my option.
Flop ($12)- K34r
(No backdoor flush for me) I bet $8. 3 callers.
Turn ($36) (K34)(6)
I check which is a mistake, I know. My thinking at the time was that one of callers in MP has been betting out when checked to on turns and rivers. He is relatively aggressive postflop in such a passive game. However, with other people in hand, I should have made a value bet.
The "aggressive" guy bets $20. One fold. One call from a guy in CO who has been fairly tight preflop. He hasn't played many hands unlike the rest of the table which has been limp-calling a lot. He only bought in for 50bbs. I did not expect him to call. I call.
River ($96) (K34)(6)(5)r
I check. MP checks. CO ships for $40.
Hero?
I can't think of too many hands that a tight (preflop) player would have here that beat me. A2, A7, 67s, 78s are hands he could have preflop that make a straight, but do those hands stick around after the flop? A set is possible.
I can beat a passively played AK (this is live afterall) KQ, KJ, K8s+. There aren't any busted draws (unless he had a pair and then a flush draw after the turn because it matched the suit of one of the flop cards.) He also could easily have a hand with showdown value, but decided to just turn it into a bluff.
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Jimbothegreatest
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If you say he is aggressive, I would assume this also means he is capable of bluffing here. For a half pot bet, I would call.
But I expect him to turn over K8 a lot here.
If he is a decent player, he might have rivered two-pair himself, and correctly deduced that it's unlikely you have a straight, so is shoving for value.
FWIW, I'd be betting pot on the flop, or maybe even more than the pot. Anyone who's limped with KJ/KT, etc, will not be folding. And yes, set him in on the turn would save you from having to worry about getting into any dodgy spots on the river.
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Jimbothegreatest
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Oh I'm sorry I read the action wrong. You had two players against you.
Still, lead for a bigger bet on the flop. Then bet the turn.
As played, CO is probably going to turn over a set of 3s or 4s. But I don't see how you are going to fold, with so few 8s in his range.
Still, bet again on the turn. When you check, you should turn it into a check/min-raise and try and get it all in.
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shuttle
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Make it like $12 on the flop and keep betting on the turn, if you check the turn it should be with the intention of check raising to get money out of Kx type hands.
As played I'd fold the river, but you most certainly shouldn't let yourself get into that spot in the first place.
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TecmoSuperBowl
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Make it like $12 on the flop and keep betting on the turn, if you check the turn it should be with the intention of check raising to get money out of Kx type hands.
As played I'd fold the river, but you most certainly shouldn't let yourself get into that spot in the first place.
+1 I want to bet as big as possible on this flop because it's one of those inelastic range spots where they are likely going to call almost any reasonable bet size or they're simply going to fold.
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craphoot
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if you check the turn it should be with the intention of check raising to get money out of Kx type hands.
If the cutoff didn't call, I would have c/r. The CO slowed me down a bit as I was not expecting him to stick around.
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craphoot
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Another issue is you've still got aggressive guy in MP left to act behind you....How deep is he?
He has me covered, but I don't think he ever check a better hand than me on the river. The CO has only called to this point, so I don't think MP was setting up for a C/R.
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shuttle
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+1 I want to bet as big as possible on this flop because it's one of those inelastic range spots where they are likely going to call almost any reasonable bet size or they're simply going to fold.
Something I wanted to add, in low stakes live games almost all recreational players aren't keeping track of the exact size of the pot, so on the flop a $10 bet and a $15 bet are going to get called by almost the same range, as a result making it bigger is just making you more money. Keep this in mind for live in general, making the sizing bigger in small pots, including preflop takes advantage of the fact that low stakes live players are inelastic to small betsizes as they just this "oh this is only $10 or $12 or $whatever amount less than $15" and many treat that the same as they just think about the monetary value of the bet and if it's small they just treat it the same for the most part in small pots.
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