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I had been playing very aggressively at this table and to anyone who is paying attention have a bad image. Started off the session flopping the nuts and shoving over a river bet, getting a fold. I then immediately got KQ and AJ two hands in a row, raising them both times. A little later I raised on the button, got 3 callers, checked back a Q84r board, bluffed a K turn when checked to me again, and bluffed the river. Guy folded and I showed the bluff. Like 2 hands later I turned the nut flush and ended up raising the river, got called and showed it down.

A bit later I squeezed a $7 UTG raise and like 3 callers. I play with the initial raiser a lot and he took a while before folding, proclaiming that he let me steal the pot and that he "knew I didn't have anything."

I also made an A-high call vs. a guy who bluffed with a missed flush draw, which got some attention at the table and seemed to make him pretty frustrated.

Literally like 3 hands before the hand in question, I limped A2s in mid position with a bunch of other limpers. J82 board got checked through and the turn was an Ace. Guy who I hero called the A-high against bets 16, opponent who is villain in the next hand calls, and I make it like $55 or something. Guy behind me thinks for a while, slams his chips a bit, seems frustrated (not really with me though since we haven't been in many pots and we were talking a bit), asks himself if he wants to do this, and folds. Guy who first bet thinks for a decent while, asks me how much I have left, seems frustrated (with me), and folds. Villain folds pretty quickly and doesn't seem too frustrated with me and I take it down.

So a few hands later I limp 64s in early position. This probably isn't great, but my reasoning was that I was 250bb deep with a pretty big spewy fish at the table, and the table wasn't raising a lot preflop. I think seeing a cheap flop here this deep with a bunch of bad players and one particularly spewey player is fine.

Anyway, there's like 2 or 3 limpers behind me, SB completes and BB checks. Board is 642 with a FD. BB is the villain who folded pretty quickly in the last hand, and he bets out for $12. We are 125BB deep so he has like $250 and I cover. With my image I obviously raise, making it like $43 or something. Everyone else folds, and BB thinks for a few seconds and makes it $100.

Now, I don't really have any specific reads on this guy despite playing with him for about an hour and a half. I've just seen him limping a decent amount, I think he raised preflop a couple of times, but I haven't seen any showdowns or really took note of any significant pots that he was in other than the one I described above where he folded. He also has ipod headphones in, which suggests he might not be as aware of my table image as some of the other players. Further, my lack of a read obv suggests that he hasn't shown me much, hasn't been too active, and is therefore potentially pretty nitty post-flop.

So do I get it in here? Against the other players I was involved in some pots with I would for sure - basically if he's taking my image into consideration I snap get it in, as he could be fighting back with a FD, TP, spazz, or w/e. Also, live players will often just limp in with--or if they're the BB just check--good PP's. So although I don't know anything specific about him, live players on average could have some like 88, JJ, etc. and even AA in their preflop range for sure. On the other hand, it seems definitely possible and even likely that he's not aware of my image and doesn't care - he didn't seem frustrated with my previous raise, he has his earphones on, and I haven't seen anything spewey or even significant from him at all.

Appreciate thoughts on this spot, including:
A) The actual decision
B) What you would do here completely readless (i.e. no reads on villain and if I had no image either.)
C) If you would get it in, how deep would you have to be to not get it in?

I think his range is kind of crushing you considering he has all the straights, combo draws, and sets in his range. Even an overpair has 30% equity. His raise does not seem like he wants a fold.

I can find a fold here

A-game - Fold feels great, top of the world feeling. There's nothing better than telling someone you folded top two and being confident it was no good.

C-game - shove and hope I'm near my stop loss so I don't throw myself into a wall.

I have and do limp 64s utg, whether it's good or not........

I think limping 64s utg is probably a minor mistake, but that's only probably and definitely minor. I've recently been realizing the value of simply getting into pots as often as possible when we have such a large postflop edge. In position, my range gets very wide. OOP not so much, but I still think, especially deep, we want to be involved as much as possible.

A) A small 3b can also be used as a cheap bluff, but that relies on us knowing he is reacting to your image and him also thinking that you won't call. I think folding here is correct simply because even when we are ahead, it's not by such a massive amount that we're thrilled about our equity vs his entire range.

B) I would base my decision on his/her appearance. We're never completely readless live, but I know what you mean. If he/she looked like a standard live fish, then I don't know if I could fold when, as you said, this could easily be something like JJ.

C) Not sure as I don't have a ton of deep stack experience. Maybe it starts getting close around 150bb?

I think this is a fold, don't go bust in a limp pot. I played an almost identical hand a few days ago where I had 53 on this board and stacked 64.

I think this is a fold, don't go bust in a limp pot. I played an almost identical hand a few days ago where I had 53 on this board and stacked 64.

Do you limp a lot, raise preflop a couple of times, wear headphones, and not get frustrated easily?

That would be great.

Do you limp a lot, raise preflop a couple of times, wear headphones, and not get frustrated easily?

I don't wear headphones
I agree with most of your points above. Not sure how easily it can be JJ though. Since you have blockers maybe slightly more likely.
From experience maybe AA or KK, think people play these in this fashion, but mid PP seem to flat the raise.

I think this is a fold, don't go bust in a limp pot.

hmm, don't go bust in a limp pot is a rigid rule. Obviously a lot of rules of thumb have their value and are rules of thumb for a reason, but in poker there are a ton of other variables that go into a decision other than a rule of thumb. This is especially true in live poker where the majority of pots are limped pots. Not saying it isn't a fold, but if it is a fold, it's not necessarily for that reasoning.

A) A small 3b can also be used as a cheap bluff, but that relies on us knowing he is reacting to your image and him also thinking that you won't call. I think folding here is correct simply because even when we are ahead, it's not by such a massive amount that we're thrilled about our equity vs his entire range.

B) I would base my decision on his/her appearance. We're never completely readless live, but I know what you mean. If he/she looked like a standard live fish, then I don't know if I could fold when, as you said, this could easily be something like JJ.

Hmm, so in "B" you say that if you were readless and imageless (I realize we are never completely readless, but you know what I mean - basically having a "minimal read"), then you don't know if you could fold. But in "A" when I basically have a minimal read BUT have a potentially bad image with him, you say it's a fold. I don't see how in can be more of a shove in B than in A, when they are both pretty much the same scenario except that in A I potentially have a really bad image.

I think limping 64s utg is probably a minor mistake, but that's only probably and definitely minor. I've recently been realizing the value of simply getting into pots as often as possible when we have such a large postflop edge. In position, my range gets very wide. OOP not so much, but I still think, especially deep, we want to be involved as much as possible.

I've realized the same thing. Paying 1BB to play a pot with a bunch of bad players who you are deep with is really good imo. I've made a lot of money in limped pots in the last week and a half since I started loosening up my limping range. I might just be running well and have been hitting a bunch of hands and getting paid, but it makes sense that it would be profitable theoretically, and so far it's worked out for me empirically.

I do agree though that 64s might be a minor mistake, but definitely nothing major.

Hmm, so in "B" you say that if you were readless and imageless (I realize we are never completely readless, but you know what I mean - basically having a "minimal read"), then you don't know if you could fold. But in "A" when I basically have a minimal read BUT have a potentially bad image with him, you say it's a fold. I don't see how in can be more of a shove in B than in A, when they are both pretty much the same scenario except that in A I potentially have a really bad image.

My read on A is that he isn't a live fish who doesn't realize that 3betting an overpair there is overplaying his hand. Sounds like, while we can't assume he's Wilt, that he might be decent enough to only 3b better hands in this spot. Clearly we don't know that, but we don't have much to go on and the spot is close. Because of that, if he's younger and more apt to know relative hand strength, I'm more likely to fold, but if he's older or I know he is bad, then I can't fold.

My read on A is that he isn't a live fish who doesn't realize that 3betting an overpair there is overplaying his hand. Sounds like, while we can't assume he's Wilt, that he might be decent enough to only 3b better hands in this spot. Clearly we don't know that, but we don't have much to go on and the spot is close. Because of that, if he's younger and more apt to know relative hand strength, I'm more likely to fold, but if he's older or I know he is bad, then I can't fold.

Okay that makes sense then. I wouldn't say that he "isn't a live fish," meaning that I think it's unlikely he's a 25nl online player or that he reads strategy on online forums, or even that he's read some of the older poker books like Ed Miller, Sklansky, etc. I would say that he hasn't shown me any evidence of being a *spewey* or even splashy live fish. Basically he hasn't shown me evidence of a risk-prone psychological profile, and his headphones make me think that he may also not be image/momentum aware either. If both of those are the case then it's a fold. It's just hard to know how my previous aggression if affecting him here, and that has actually been one of my biggest weakness I think - distinguishing who is adjusting to very aggressive play and playing back at me and who just has the incidental nuts.

Don't have access to stove right now, but I will plug some ranges later. I mean, he is in the BB so he can have every combo of 53, but he can also have 62 and 42 and like I said some combos of overpairs and a lot of combos of flush draws and TP. I don't know what an average not too splashy live player would do with worse two pair here, but I will play around with stove later. We do only need 40% equity to get it in here, and even when he has a straight or set I have like 18% equity against those hands.

Yea, stove should definitely help us out here.

As for your other comment, I generally use the rule that I don't assume anyone is making any adjustments based on my play until they prove it.