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Entered the hand telling myself "this is a guy I do not want to bluff." Asian blackjack player who check/calls every single bet, every single time I have been in a pot with him. My long term image is LAG and can run large bluffs, However, I have adjusted to him and have been hammering him with thin value bets for the last week, and just giving up on pots that I miss.

I have 7c 5c

5 way limped pot, I am SB, he is CO. 700 effective stacks, 1-2.

As 8c 5s

I check, ch,ch,ch, villian bets 10, I raise to 40, villian looks for a second like he was planning to raise, and calls.

Turn 6 clubs

I fire 75, he tank calls (double suited, 3 card straight board, taking all sets out of his range for not raising this turn)

River K of diamonds.

I check, he gives me a large look of surprise (he was surely waiting to snap me off on a missed flush draw) , he bets 200 into 240, I jam, which is around ~325 more to him to call.


Reasons I like my bluff:
-Never see CRAI bluffs in these games, he will surely expect me to lead out with my bluffs
-Not afraid of running into a set, tho surely he could have a straight.

Thinks I hate
-Bluffing at 1-2
-Expecting someone to fold after putting in 200 on the river
-my image, his player type
-I cannot rep AK, AA, KK.



Thoughts?

Ya, you are repping a big hand, but I think how you win this player's money is just to wait for a real hand and bet big, basically play real straight forward, this looks like FPS tilty type stuff.

"-Expecting someone to fold after putting 200 on the river"

This is your answer. The reality of it is, you check-jammed bottom pair against a reckless gambler. IMO, it isn't reasonable to think he could actually fold. .

i see bluff, live, 1-2nl and i just think it almost has to be bad 90% the time without reading it

Sounds good! What I thought, should we just say, there is ZERO room for moves like this in 1-2 live? Or do any of you ever try and pull it off? Maybe vs rocks when a very scary card comes? Would you ever jam 350 bb's on a bluff ever in this game I wonder?

Usually if I take a stab at an A high board and get called, i'm generally done. Especially since you said the guy is going to call you down.

So I think the this is probably a really bad spot to try and get this guy out.
You're trying to bluff the worst type of player to try and bluff.

This guy bet out 100bb on the river, I don't think he's ever folding to a shove here.

Honestly the rationale that "this stuff never happens in 1/2" isn't good enough to merit actually doing it. There's a good reason this stuff never happens at 1/2, because the FE just isn't there.

I understand the position, but don't try fooling yourself into thinking this might be good. It's not.

Think we've all been here at some point, but I don't think this is a particularly good move with a really solid read because people just talk themselves into calling it off here way too much.

Villains hand looks like a bluffcatcher a lot of the time so would you check/shove the river for value?

Villains hand looks like a bluffcatcher a lot of the time so would you check/shove the river for value?

You don't want to rely upon live fish folding bluffcatchers after they put a ton of action and money in the pot.

I think he means if you had a value hand, would you ever take this line if you thought he had a bluff catcher?

I tried semi bluffing tonight. When I snapped back to reality I was down 110bb, and all I could see is a weak top pair.......I was in awwe wondering wtf I had just done.

I think he means if you had a value hand, would you ever take this line if you thought he had a bluff catcher?

only if I thought there was a high chance of him betting his bluff catcher for some reason (like a live read or something).

Your reasons to like your bluff aren't particularly strong reasons.

-Never see CRAI bluffs in these games, he will surely expect me to lead out with my bluffs

It doesn't make a difference what he expects, because opponent is probably just going to call if he has a strong hand and invent a reason to do so. He might think you were shutting down and then decided to then bluff (which is exactly what you did)

-Not afraid of running into a set, tho surely he could have a straight.

It doesn't matter that he can't have a set. Opponent is probably never folding two pair for 300 more because "it's two pair".

Basically, his range is strong for betting and its hard to assume he's folding enough of that range for this to be profitable, especially with your first line read:

Entered the hand telling myself "this is a guy I do not want to bluff." Asian blackjack player who check/calls every single bet, every single time I have been in a pot with him

Also, the flop play is very ambitious and commits you to a situation where you have run plays like this, just give up on the flop.

I think he means if you had a value hand, would you ever take this line if you thought he had a bluff catcher?

thats what i wanted to say but if he is a fish it doesn't matter.