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Villian is a LAG 34/26/2.6, that I'm starting to play more and more, so we have some recent history. Starting to feel like hes attacking me postflop because I'm giving up a little too much.

Poker Stars $10.00/$20.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 5 A
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 4 K K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls

River: (8.25 BB) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls


Flop and turn action are what I'm worried about here. 4KK flop is a pretty obvious flop to go after for him correct?, what should my thinking be here? Call calling down most turns and rivers? Or... three bet and try to get him to fold out his hands with 6 outs?

Im not sure I liked my turn raise after I did it. I'm still beating a lot of his hands and now they only have 4 or 5 outs, which are the only hands hes folding. I think its a mistake a lot of people make, raising picked up draws without much chance of folding better hands. Did I do that here?

Any thoughts?


P.S. Another thought that entered my mind when I raised the turn was to balance with the hands I have that are made and I wait to raise the turn against him, like a K. Something to worry about or no?

The turn raise is pretty bad ... are you trying to fold out better A high hands that value check/raised the flop? You'd have to have a *really* snug image and a competent opponent for that parlay to work.

The semibluff is even worse because Kx is going to make up a large percentage of your opponent's range unless he is a massive check/raiser, and he is going to 3bet you with Kx almost always. In that case your equity sucks and you actually have slightly RIO, in that you get 2 bets on the river when you hit your flush and lose 3 when that flush fills him up or he was already full.

If you think his range has a decent amount of air that he will barrel with, there's nothing wrong with an A high calldown. Sometimes the best way to combat a LAG is to use passivity. Your turn raise would be a lot better if you held 6 5 because (1) your equity is better against his legitimate hands and (2) the hands you fold out will be better hands.

Im not sure I liked my turn raise after I did it. I'm still beating a lot of his hands and now they only have 4 or 5 outs, which are the only hands hes folding. I think its a mistake a lot of people make, raising picked up draws without much chance of folding better hands. Did I do that here?

Exactly. Since you have decent equity already, the semi-bluff has little value added. Compare that to something like 86 of clubs.

Another thought that entered my mind when I raised the turn was to balance with the hands I have that are made and I wait to raise the turn against him, like a K. Something to worry about or no?

I don't think so. On this board, he either has a strong hand or he has basically nothing, so there is very little your range can change his actions.

Call/call/call. I did an analysis of a flop exactly like this one and in order to make your opponent indifferent to bluffing, you're going to need all but about your worst couple of Ax combos that don't pair by the river. You can probably exploit people who aren't playing well by folding a little more than what optimal would suggest. Or for example, a turned 9, T or J is going to allow us to continue with almost any broadway (and also hit some of the "air" our opponent might elect to check-raise with, so I think you can give up more on those boards.

for me this is one of those omg picked up flush draw! raises that doesn't really do anything positive for us postflop - if he's barrelling off worse - let him, if he has better - we often get owned, and our raise looks exactly like what it is a lot of the time vs good players

i would prefer call call and see what the riv is

i play this game a lot and it's hard to add too much more. except i will say that if you never raise with a draw here (as well as air) against a regular, your game is missing something. so in moderation (say 15-20% of the time you pick up a draw, 5-10% with airball, and the rest of the time with trips or other legit value hand) you should do this. i would like the turn raise better if you had something like T9 with no sd value, now the times you fold out a random overcard or A high or something have way more value.