grantkropf
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At 41:00 you're HULTA in a blind battle vs. maniac on 9hAc4h flop (he was pf raiser). What cards on the turn and river would you call down IF YOU HAD 55-88 and what cards would have to drop off for you to fold against the maniac if you had 55-88? what about pocket 3's?
would you have folded 77 on the flop vs. the maniac?
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allstarrt
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hi DD very great video. What do you think of going for a check raise on the river with the flush. Do you think many opponents would check back the range that you gave him on the turn? You said you thought you were beat so at worst he has AK for top two. People always seem paranoid about missing value bets like that so I think check raising the river is the better play even if he knows the flush is a strong part of your range.
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DeathDonkey
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grant: the answer to all your questions is basically "more paint cards". Play around with pokerstove to see how your equity changes vs a random hand when more overcards start falling. I would not have folded 77 on the flop.
allstar: Well I jammed the crap out of the flop then slowed down on the turn, plus people are in general paranoid about flush cards, I think it would be a mistake to try for the CR there when a bet is so clearly getting called, and I don't know how likely he is to value bet, though I agree with you he has at least AK usually.
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xrosswind
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Table #3 Hero has Ac 8h in CO and open raises BTN 3 bets. Hero checks and calls to showdown and wins (unknown villain had KQ suited) on a board of 5d 7s 6h Tc 7h.
Lots of questions about this hand.
1. If the river was a king would you fold?
2. If the flop had been 3d 7s 6h, what would you do. I assume you would peel the flop is that correct, but would you carry on to showdown if the turn and river cards were 2c and 7h.
3. Am I correct in thinking that I need to be very careful trying to copy some of the call downs you make in these games compared to the games I am playing in ($2/4 six max). This hand is not a very good example of what I am getting at because of the OESD you had to get to the river, but what I am trying to explain is the following.
In the above hand villain was unknown, but at $10/20 and unknown BTNs 3 betting range following a COs open is likely to be far wider than an unknown BTNs 3 betting range in the same situation at a $2/4 table is that right?
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DeathDonkey
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1) Calling anyway, still beat some overcard combos, its not a good card though obv.
2) Calling down on the example board you gave, basically the dude was bad and fairly unknown, I assume he will 3 barrel his whole range until proven otherwise and his whole range has tons of big cards in it I beat. (also note most fish will bluff with like KQ but not value bet AJ on the end, so they are actually showing weakness by 3 barrelling, or they just have an overpair)
3) Yes you are dead on that at 2/4 this is less valid. I don't think its so much that the button's 3 betting range will be way tighter, though it will be somewhat, but its more that he probably won't 3 barrel postflop so much, so the turn bet and especially the river bet carry a lot more meaning as "real hand". This is where you just understand the theory behind all your actions, and then try to figure out how the "average" player at your limit plays and exploit him
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