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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (Mid Stakes)

DD, you dont have to be perfect man.
You dont tilt, but sometimes you can be too hard on yourself.
Enjoy the journey, and do your best, then leave the rest to god.

That being said....
I gonna give you my best shot. I found what I think is a mistake. And I gonna make my best case, cause being able to at least give you something to think about has meaning for me.
the hand in question is 30:07 the A6o BB defence vs CO open raise HU, you decided to c/r bluff the flop. I have issue with the c/r. You did mention after your analysis that you did not like the way you played the hand. But I think you meant the following streets and not the c/r itself.

You were a little off your game in the video, this you already know, and I believe that threw your analysis off as well. So if I am nit pickin, I apoligize. but its not often, ok NEVER, I find a flaw in your game DD.
I think your original comment was.."I probably peeled the flop and folded most turns"...and I agree this is a good plan. but when you saw that you c/r'd the flop, you tried to defend it. I think this is a mistake.
I think the peel is even questionable but not my focus.

Why is this c/r bluff a bad idea on this flop Tc,9c,8h..with A6c?
Our hand strength on this flop is very marginal. we have Ace high. A gs to the idiot end.
a small BDFD. our hand is ahead some of the time, but we have to get through two more streets vs a good player who has position to realize that.
my main point is, there is just not enough FE added to our hand strength to make this play +EV.
if we give villain a 30% range, 22,A7,AXs,K9,K5s,Q9,Q7s,J9,J8s,98s
what part of this range are we attacking to gain our FE?
22-55, AXs with X being under a 6, and K5s,K6s..thats it. Everything else is calling, and most likely calling the turn. Thats not much of his range. Villain actually hits this flop rather hard IMO.

I posted a good range IMO a while back of when to bluff c/r vs a CO or BTN PFR'r.
range of flops that is.....no ace, no king, 1 card under a 6, and NO 2 STRAIGHT.
this flop has a 3 straight.
I use this as I think you need some percentage of air in your c/r'ing range to keep it balanced.
(not that at the level I play now, my game needs balance, but its good practice and still a +play)

Lastly, we have a ACE in our hand, making it more difficult for a ace to be in villains hand, which strengthens his range on this flop even more.

I rest my case and await the jury.

DD, you seemed a bit tired during the video, trying to stifle a yawn every once in a while and it seemed to affect your analysis. You're doing an after the session commentary, can't you just pause it when you realize you're tired and maybe not giving your best ? And continue it say a few hour later or is that difficult from a technical point ?

I think your original comment was.."I probably peeled the flop and folded most turns"...and I agree this is a good plan. but when you saw that you c/r'd the flop, you tried to defend it. I think this is a mistake.

You have a point Mickey.
However, I like this format.
Everyone does mistakes. We do it a lot more often.
Sometimes, DURING a hand, you might realize that you made a mistake.
So, the analysis on the turn is still great IMO.
Let's just assume that I made this questionable CR on the flop, and found myself on the turn realizing what I just did. Now the J turns and makes a 4-straight. Given my flop play, I probably fold a huge part of his range by leading the turn. So, the analysis kind of optimizes my turn play given the flop play.

However, I think that the turn check-call was even more questionable than the flop, so it's all summarized nicely by DD "I think I mislayed this hand on a couple of streets" ;D

Oh well, I just wanted to comment someting. I really like this format, where you do the analysis afterwards and don't necessarily remember what actually happened in the hand 5/5

Hey Nim,

I apologize for that, I was a little tired, and hope it didn't affect my analysis too much. I was more thrown off by seeing myself make plays that didn't seem optimal in retrospect (the interesting thing about this format is as the weeks go by I get further removed from when I actually played the session so its a little hard to recall the hands and I was obviously surprised by my own plays in a few spots). It wasn't feasible for me to delay the recording only because I had one day after driving home from vegas (was there 6 weeks), again sorry for uncharacteristically sounding tired, I genuinely enjoy making the videos and usually am bursting with things to say, this just ended up being a weird segment of hands in the section. I think the good thing is being able to point out why the plays are suboptimal at times and using them as examples of when you are in these aggressive games the difference between the "best" play and a "bad" play is really not that huge, you might not even notice some of them during the course of a session or when watching your opponents, until you have a chance to really analyze them closely.

-DeathDonkey

DD, no need to apologize. It was more curiosity as it seemed unusual for you. Thanks for explaining and a great vid :-)

In the TT hand at 45 min on Table 3 you said that there was a 4-straight on the board. The Board was 689Q5. I thought that a 4 straight on the board means 4 connected cards like 6789. Am I wrong ?

The Board was 689Q5. I thought that a 4 straight on the board means 4 connected cards like 6789. Am I wrong ?

Typically a 4-straight just means any situation when 4 cards to a straight are on the board. With 5689 and any card that is a 7 making a straight, that would make a 4-straight on board. It's really a matter of semantics, though, and not something worth worrying about too much.

Rob

DD-

At the 57 minute mark on table 2 (upper right corner- the hijack open limps, and the cutoff raises. The SB folds and you call with QJo in the big blind.

The flop is AKQ with two clubs (you have the Q of clubs). You call a cutoff bet and the limper calls too.

The turn is a 4 of hearts (putting now two hearts and two clubs on the board). The limper checks, the cutoff bets and you fold?

You don't comment on that in the video, but it seems to me to be a pretty clear call there. You are getting 5.5 to one imediate odds with what looks like 7 likely outs (any Q and any T). The limper in the hijack will probably call again increasing your implied odds if you hit. Even if you discount some of your outs to maybe 5.5 it still looks like you're getting a pretty good price to peal one more.

Any thoughts on this?

While you obviously didn't play all that great in this episode, I felt that its educational content was quite good. I really like your comments about possible deterioration in play quality when going from very shorthanded back to 6-max and while playing tired - I have noticed this is my own play as well. That QT on K77 hand typifies this - you see an attackable board (although few players fold ace high) and you've been playing at a very aggressive table with a tilt monkey on your left.

Hey parkdave,

I think its pretty close, though I should have commented on it during the vid. Here I'm getting right around the right price and might have implied odds from the 3rd guy, but there are also the reverse implied odds of two flush draws on the board, potentially tainting my outs, as well as the possibility I make the straight and have to chop the pot with one of the other opponents. When a 4 card broadway straight hits the board chops are much more frequent due to the obvious reason that people play broadway cards almost always

I think I'm happy with the fold but definitely close.

-DeathDonkey

Hey DD, I always enjoy your hand analysis. I wanted to interject with one option you could use to improve your series.

Since there are 4 tables, I think it would be a good idea to use a mouse pointer highlighter to follow the action more easily. Not something terribly important but would add a little clarity for me with the action constantly moving around.

Hi Grant,

Thanks for that suggestion - I'm not sure if I can implement it or not, I hope I can explain why as its a bit confusing just due to the way the recording works. I've already recorded some of my playing sessions (though I guess if I record any playing sessions in future I could try it with the highlighter) so when I do the audio commentary I'm re-recording the screen while watching my own video, so there are effectively two mice, and I think it might be more confusing to have only the second one highlighted, which I rarely even show on the screen, though I think I have used it for pointing at particular tables when the action is paused.

Bah that was a really confusing explanation - I'll see about your suggestion for future episodes, thanks again,
DeathDonkey

52:00 Table #1 Hero has Qs Jd OTB.
Pre flop, HJ open limps, hero raises, both blinds and HJ calls.(8 SBs)

Flop is 7s 7h 4c
Checked to hero who bets, SB and HJ calls.(11 SBs)

Turn is 9s, checked to hero who also checks.

Question 1 Would you bet the turn if you held say As Jd instead of Qs Jd, I'm thinking you would but I'm not sure?

River is As, checked to hero and he bluff bets, saying that the ace is a good bluffing card for hero, and it does not look as though either of the two other players have an ace, and he might bet someone to fold a four.

Question 2 A HJ that open limps and a SB that calls 1.5 cold do not seem to be the type of players that would fold a pair on this board, do you really think they would?

I think you might get them to fold king high, but I also think most pre flop raisers would have bet the turn with ace high, so if they think like that too, they will probably call you with that as well.