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iplaylimit

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Villain is slightly laggy

Merge Network - 6 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with K Spade T Diamond
2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 3 Heart 9 Heart 2 Heart (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) 3 Diamond (2 players)
CO checks, ???

Posted 12 months ago

SIide

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I don't think many players call this flop with plans of folding to a turn C-bet on this turn with pretty much anything in their range. I also don't think this is a good hand for a triple barrel either, so I like a Ch Back, decide on the river. I would consider bluff raising a river heart that doesn't pair us or the board.

Posted 12 months ago

BigBadBabar

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yeah i'd probably check; i don't think a bet accomplishes anything with this part of our range

Posted 11 months ago

Entity

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I don't think many players call this flop with plans of folding to a turn C-bet on this turn with pretty much anything in their range. I also don't think this is a good hand for a triple barrel either, so I like a Ch Back, decide on the river. I would consider bluff raising a river heart that doesn't pair us or the board.


I don't think KTo is a great hand to be considering bluffraising the river on a Heart. You aren't going to see Ace-high value-betting thinly, and you aren't going to see too many other medium-strength hands that can legitimately be valuebetting, so you're mostly up against flushes and air. You beat the air and the flushes aren't folding, so while your hand looks credible, I'm not sure it stands to beat much, besides black KJo.

Rob

Posted 11 months ago

SIide

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I think its somewhat villain dependent, but I wouldn't say flushes aren't folding or that his range is entirely flushes or air when he bets the river, particularly broadway rivers. I also think it doesn't matter much whether we bluff raise KTo or JTo in this spot as we (probably) aren't bluff catching with KT anyways, so as long as we do it at a reasonable frequency it should be fine.

I think we should be bluff raising river hearts at least occasionally if villain is capable of finding a fold, if you don't think KTo is a good candidate, what hand would you suggest?

Posted 11 months ago

Entity

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I think its somewhat villain dependent, but I wouldn't say flushes aren't folding or that his range is entirely flushes or air when he bets the river, particularly broadway rivers. I also think it doesn't matter much whether we bluff raise KTo or JTo in this spot as we (probably) aren't bluff catching with KT anyways, so as long as we do it at a reasonable frequency it should be fine.

I think we should be bluff raising river hearts at least occasionally if villain is capable of finding a fold, if you don't think KTo is a good candidate, what hand would you suggest?


I didn't say his range is only flushes, I said his range is mostly polarized, meaning that I don't think you'll see a whole lot of hands bet-folding the river that you don't already beat. There might be some, but there won't be enough to justify the 2BB investment.

Rob

Posted 11 months ago

arjunt1

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I think he likely has a pair no heart, and betting the river is not getting him to fold. I think you can bluff bet a river heart but not bluff raise. I'd be more interested in what you would do when a non-heart K or T falls and he leads.

Posted 11 months ago

NoWayFolding

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I dont understand why this isnt a triple barrel bluff?

Surely we should barrel here to get Kh, Qh Jh to fold by river???

Posted 11 months ago

BigBadBabar

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unpaired hands with the the Qh or Jh as the high card - we already beat those

better king highs than ours - probably not folding

worse king highs - we already beat those

Posted 11 months ago




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