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Villain is definitely the biggest winner i n this game. Almost leak free and much respected nt. His pf 3betting range consists of AQs+, JJ+. 4betting is similar but more narrow. He will open raise urgent with 44+ but I usually see him open limp with 22-55.

Villain raises utg to 40
Fold to hero in cutoff
Hero holds 9s9d and raises to 60
Folds to villain
villain calls
Flop [5c4d2s]
Villain checks
Hero bets 20
Villain raises to 40
Hero raises to 60
villain calls
Turn [5c4d2s][6s]
Villain checks
Hero should? ??
turn [5d

Ignore any random inserted words that don't belong. Posted on my phone.

I think 3Betting the Flop w/ 99 is a mistake versus a good player.

Also, can you edit the HH so it's clear what the Turn card was?

WTF!

OP stole my handle!

robbery.

WTF!

OP stole my handle!

robbery.

No idea what you're talking about.

No idea what you're talking about.

haha tecmosupperbowl... attack of the clones

Hahaha. It used to be a SN of mine .when I used to play online. Similar but not the same

It's Bizzaro world!!!!!

Hahaha. It used to be a SN of mine .when I used to play online. Similar but not the same

as was mine on stars: It's a Traþ!

Back to on topic. I check behind on this turn. Villains range from his pf play will consist of hands 55-1010 while he will likely be 4betting his 10's a s well from time to time.explain how 3 betting the flopis so bad.

re: flop 3 bet - well first of all its debatable whether you are even a favorite against his range considering he seems to be a pretty tight player, and if he would never 4 bet pre with anything he can hold TT-AA very easily and his range contains very few one pair hands that aren't pocket pairs. So I'd probably just call down from his checkraise.

But I think what KCStrom was more speaking about was the fact that 3 betting this flop is just kinda meh with anything. If we change your hand to AA I much prefer call and raise the turn. Since most of your range is unpaired big cards in this spot he gains a ton of info if you 3 bet overpairs and call when unimproved, it should allow him to make some pretty huge folds against you later that you would prefer he not be able to make. Also in general you will make one small bet more by raising the turn unless he is just bad and spewy on flop (if he has JJ for instance and you 3 bet flop he should flat call down I think but if you raise him on a blank turn he still most likely should call down). Finally it allows you to very rarely semi bluff raise the turn and the fact that so much of your range will contain overpairs should allow you to generate pretty good fold equity. Compare this to when you 3 bet most overpairs on flop, now turn is a drawy card and you raise your semibluff, it looks exactly like a semibluff.

Oh I'll add one more thing: 3 bet flop, check back turn, and call river is precisely how I would expect a pretty bad nit TAG to play a medium / big but not huge pair here. If you aren't a pretty bad nit TAG then its bad that you took this line because most halfway decent players are going to read it as "pretty bad nit TAG line with mid/big pair" and unfortunately this time its exactly what you have, so they are going to hand read you correctly just by stereotyping you. On the other hand, if you are a pretty bad nit TAG then this is your natural way to play the hand and you have to change a lot of things if you have aspirations to play bigger.

Also side note, if I am villain here and I held QQ I would call down the flop 3 bet but if you checked back turn I would usually checkraise river. I think that works often and most people would lead river and miss a bet /shrug

Villain would 4bet with QQ+ on that flop. And when it comes to hu he is more then capable of doing this with his overcards as am I to 3bet in that spot.

DD,

Good post. I was actually speaking more from an equity stand point!

I think fast-playing these Flops w/ a hand like AA in a live setting/against live grinders is very defensible considering how often they see regs 3-Bet the Flop and check back the Turn w/ hands like AK/AQ. Fast-playing could induce a 4-Bet, or even a Flop call/Turn donk on a brick.

Trap,

I completely forgot to ask whether or not villain was 4-Betting his monsters PF. My assumption is that a good player would never 4-Bet. If you have a read that he'd cap TT+, then your line makes a little more sense. The only problem is that we're targeting a very narrow range.

Kcstrom,
The live field is weak enough that you still gain l lot of equity by capping pre with your premium hands. You still get your action.

I just discussed this hand with a friend of mine that has been playing against this field the closer part of a decade. I felt I played this hand poorly. But also feel villain played it at least equally bad. The normal line I would take on the flop is call the check raise and depending on the turn card call or raise. But he didnt 4bet pre which means his range mostly consists of 55-JJ. On a 5426 board I'm only ahead of a third of his range with 99.