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Merging Pachyderm: Episode Ten

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BigBadBabar heads over to the Merge Network to check out the limit hold'em games and give some analysis for U.S. players..

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  • Posted over 2 years ago

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grandmofftarkin

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grandmofftarkin

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Time Link to 00:21:03

So how do you feel about dealing w/ ineluctable's potential turn raises now?

The hand right before this you had KK and the board came 965 9 (bringing a backdoor spade draw) and commented on your willingness to call down and possibly even 3bet that turn. Now that you've seen villain fast play his monster draw, any changes to dealing with this particular villain?

Posted over 2 years ago

Buck_Neket

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Time Link to 00:20:04

What are your thoughts on checking back the turn, and potentially raise/folding the river?

Posted over 2 years ago

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Time Link to 00:04:52

Actually, I like how you played the hand except for possibly the river. In my experience, this board hits a typical cold callers range preflop really hard. He most likely has a J or a 9 (neither of which he will ever fold), or a draw. Since you are beating almost all of his draws and he is never folding a pair, I think your second guessing yourself that you should have put in more aggression is wrong. Playing around with this hand in the EV calculator, it shows that if you think there is greater than 50% chance he would play a draw this way, you are making a mistake by not calling the river.

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grandmofftarkin

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Time Link to 00:28:38

Never understood why a site (or casino) would make them 10 handed -- not only does it encourage nitty play, it slows down the game and reduces the number of hands per hour/the rake they make per hour.

Posted over 2 years ago

grandmofftarkin

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Time Link to 00:30:23

I haven't figured out why more casino's don't push limit hold'em. It's better for them in terms of hands per hour (more rake per hour) and weaker/losing players hold onto their money longer (thus staying in the casino and continually paying rake). I suppose the regs just all wan't no-limit, and you gotta have regs to keep a game going right?

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BigBadBabar

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So how do you feel about dealing w/ ineluctable's potential turn raises now?

The hand right before this you had KK and the board came 965 9 (bringing a backdoor spade draw) and commented on your willingness to call down and possibly even 3bet that turn. Now that you've seen villain fast play his monster draw, any changes to dealing with this particular villain?



you mean in light of his T9dd hand? we've now seen him fastplay a big draw once, but that's just one data point. i mean, in the KK hand i would never consider bet/folding the turn vs lagtags even when the 9 pairs, it's just that 3betting is a more uncommon play there that needs a good read. if i see him fastplay draws a bunch of times, and not made hands, then yes that could mean his turn raises are more value hands, which would make me less inclined to 3bet KK on the turnpairing 9.

some guys will mix it up and do different things (sometimes fastplaying made hands and draws, sometimes waiting til the turn) and often they can be some of the tougher opponents to figure out

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BigBadBabar

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What are your thoughts on checking back the turn, and potentially raise/folding the river?



with the KK? i don't like it. i don't want to take a line that involves folding, since i have a strong hand in a wide range situation vs a frisky opponent. i don't want to take a line that involves not betting the turn, since i miss a chance either to a) get value or b) let him spew.

from an overall constructing-ranges-type-perspective, if i did check back the turn with some hands here, i could see having some strongish ones in them, just to balance out my ace high type stuff, so i'm not giving up a lot of information, but then i think i'd have to raise/call the river since i'd played it in a goofy way and this opponent is capable of multi-bet bluffs. but i think it's probably fine to just double barrel most everything in this spot in this situation on this board texture (wet board, 3bet bvb pot, i am in position, he just c/c flop). obviously some of this could start getting into a lot of metagame stuff once we figure out how villain plays parts of his range, then he adjusts, then we adjust back, and so on.

but in general people are very showdown bound these days, and pretty frisky. so i think with strong hands it's fine/best to keep the hammer down. we're already balancing pretty well by having a fair number of bluffs here which we'll also play aggressively. so in position i'd rather default toward betting more, and OOP (as deepsquat has covered pretty well in some of his series IMO) i'd be checking more turns

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Actually, I like how you played the hand except for possibly the river. In my experience, this board hits a typical cold callers range preflop really hard. He most likely has a J or a 9 (neither of which he will ever fold), or a draw. Since you are beating almost all of his draws and he is never folding a pair, I think your second guessing yourself that you should have put in more aggression is wrong. Playing around with this hand in the EV calculator, it shows that if you think there is greater than 50% chance he would play a draw this way, you are making a mistake by not calling the river.



i could be being results oriented on this one for sure, since i flopped such a big draw, played it so passively, and then didn't show down. i think calling the river is nice. we see later in the video he is kinda spazzy/induceable

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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I haven't figured out why more casino's don't push limit hold'em. It's better for them in terms of hands per hour (more rake per hour) and weaker/losing players hold onto their money longer (thus staying in the casino and continually paying rake). I suppose the regs just all wan't no-limit, and you gotta have regs to keep a game going right?



i don't know that it's a pushing/advertising thing. one of the reasons limit holdem is drying up these days is that lots of recreational players have wanted to play no limit ever since the moneymaker/boom/kittens thing. a lot of the pros just go where the recreational players go. but yes, from an ecosystem point of view, the recreational players get way more bang for their buck in a limit game than in a big bet game.

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grandmofftarkin

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Time Link to 00:21:41

Here you opn JJ, get 3! from the btn, then x/c,x/c on 4QT T. As for putting in a raise somewhere in the hand, I agree you could do so for value (i.e you can get called by Ahigh and smaller pp's) especially since you're balancing your x/c range on the flop.

Let's say you x/r the trn -- how do you feel about this King river?

I mean, would I be correct in assuming that the villain realizes that K hits your range? (Either making pairs on semi-bluff fd/sd's or actually hitting the draw) Do you think enough people call down here with worse (those same Ahigh hands or smaller pp's) on a QT4 T K board? Maybe so since the flushdraw misses?

Plus he 3b pre, I'd imagine he has a slightly stronger range than just a normal btn opn. (yeah, yeah I realize its a btn v. CO situation, but still...)

Please tell me if I'm analyzing villains range/this hand wrong. I don't think you'd initially be x/r this turn for a free showdown. Like make that King a deuce and I'm pretty happy to x/r the turn and then vbet the river. But is that King just scaring me? Results oriented thinking? Am I drunk if I'm suggesting x/c x/r x/f on this particular river?...

Posted over 2 years ago

grandmofftarkin

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Time Link to 00:26:17

AJs defense in the BB vs and UTG raiser, then the discussion about x/r the flop or waiting for the turn -- does this flop texture matter?

Here the flop is JSpade 6Diamond 2Spade (basically paint rag rag) and the turn bricks a 3Heart. I'd imagine that turn raise looks stronger than usual (which you mention in the video, a turn'd back door flush draw would make your x/raise look a little friskier).

So with that said, would a JSpade TDiamond 2Spade flop (effectively paint paint rag) fix some of the problems with some turn's bricking out? (Just aesthetically for the villain at least).

[edit: err, by paint paint I mean broadway broadway]

That being said, does the flop texture even matter or does what the turn bring matter more? Or does it mostly matter how well you balance your flop x/c range?

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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Here you opn JJ, get 3! from the btn, then x/c,x/c on 4QT T. As for putting in a raise somewhere in the hand, I agree you could do so for value (i.e you can get called by Ahigh and smaller pp's) especially since you're balancing your x/c range on the flop.

Let's say you x/r the trn -- how do you feel about this King river?

I mean, would I be correct in assuming that the villain realizes that K hits your range? (Either making pairs on semi-bluff fd/sd's or actually hitting the draw) Do you think enough people call down here with worse (those same Ahigh hands or smaller pp's) on a QT4 T K board? Maybe so since the flushdraw misses?

Plus he 3b pre, I'd imagine he has a slightly stronger range than just a normal btn opn. (yeah, yeah I realize its a btn v. CO situation, but still...)

Please tell me if I'm analyzing villains range/this hand wrong. I don't think you'd initially be x/r this turn for a free showdown. Like make that King a deuce and I'm pretty happy to x/r the turn and then vbet the river. But is that King just scaring me? Results oriented thinking? Am I drunk if I'm suggesting x/c x/r x/f on this particular river?...



i don't know how c/r turn oop for fsd would even work...when you check river they can bet...

i don't want to take a line that builds a huge pot with a reasonable holding in a wide range situation vs an aggressive player...and then end up folding. that'd be my overarching framework in this spot. looking at it again i don't hate my line but i think c/r flop or turn could be viable as well. there's also the factor of him barreling a lot of airball if i play it passively, which he might fold if i retake the initiative.

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