pasita
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Table 2 getting CR'd with the 77... barring reads, I don't think you could be exploited if you bet/fold here, it's pretty close to the bottom of your valuebetting range I'd think, and the offsuit 8 really doesn't open many draws. If you're against Td9d / 7d6d that's close to the best case scenario I can think of.
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pasita
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The J8s hand as requested.
I don't like the raise too much in this spot. BB is much more likely to hold a Q than a 7 imo and he's never folding that, getting HU and capped is not a happy result (SB should fold a lot here). So I like to keep SB in to subsidize the draw when it's pretty likely you need to hit a diamond to win. Save the raise to times where you have an overcard that can actually benefit from SB folding?
As played, I'm checking behind pretty much every turn that's not a diamond (tbh not sure whether betting pairs and risking a raise is good here), you're never getting 2 folds so I don't see much of a reason to barrel even if the draw improves. Yeah the hand is face up but you'll still get one bet in if you hit.
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Table 2 getting CR'd with the 77... barring reads, I don't think you could be exploited if you bet/fold here, it's pretty close to the bottom of your valuebetting range I'd think, and the offsuit 8 really doesn't open many draws. If you're against Td9d / 7d6d that's close to the best case scenario I can think of.
Ya i think maybe im too stubborn in these spots. Theres been a few spots like this in the series where ive convinced myself to call down and im rarely good
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Deepsquat
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The J8s hand as requested.
I don't like the raise too much in this spot. BB is much more likely to hold a Q than a 7 imo and he's never folding that, getting HU and capped is not a happy result (SB should fold a lot here). So I like to keep SB in to subsidize the draw when it's pretty likely you need to hit a diamond to win. Save the raise to times where you have an overcard that can actually benefit from SB folding?
As played, I'm checking behind pretty much every turn that's not a diamond (tbh not sure whether betting pairs and risking a raise is good here), you're never getting 2 folds so I don't see much of a reason to barrel even if the draw improves. Yeah the hand is face up but you'll still get one bet in if you hit.
Pretty much my thoughts. I think maybe with NFD it could be better if we can fold out a better Ax that SB may have. I guess it depends on how our range looks overall when we call 2 on the flop but saying that, it mw in a big pot, doesnt matter so much if our hand is face up
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Very good video. Can you make next video 4 tables on pokerstars please? It is very very hard for me follow action when you play 4 tables on 3 different sites.
I dont play at stars usually but ill endeavour to play the same site. It can be very hard to find more than 1 game at 10/20 at the same site, even 5/10
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Psychobingo
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Table 2, this is obviously a spot where we should slowplay some of the time, probably a lot i`d say. Its the kind of board where we would have a ton of peels, and hes either going to be highcard/pair-heavy or have air when he 3bets and when we peel this flop, the turn barrel will often come. Some opponents might even spazz3bet the turn if its a card that opens a lot of new draws, such as in this hand. Obviously fastplaying some of the time is great, but we should also have some backdoor-stuff in our flop cr range.
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Table 1, i think coldcalling is somewhat turning our hand face up as a draw, that said we`ll get to raise the turn if we improve the times the BB has something he wants to protect, and the SB then will probably call 2 cold if he has a hand like Adx or even Kdx. Its just not very likely that we can 3bet and barrel and have them both fold, the pot would then be pretty big on the flop and nobody ever folds made hands in big pots.
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Deepsquat
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Cr on table 4? I know the pot is small, but Ace high is never folding, and probably not K high either, and thats a big part of a tight fish`s limping range. Also, its not very likely that we`ll get the river barrel from a player like that.
Ya i think a cr is fine. Ive been experimenting with trying to induce from bad players in small pots, but yeah cr is great
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Table 2, this is obviously a spot where we should slowplay some of the time, probably a lot i`d say. Its the kind of board where we would have a ton of peels, and hes either going to be highcard/pair-heavy or have air when he 3bets and when we peel this flop, the turn barrel will often come. Some opponents might even spazz3bet the turn if its a card that opens a lot of new draws, such as in this hand. Obviously fastplaying some of the time is great, but we should also have some backdoor-stuff in our flop cr range.
Totally agree. In fact my standard play would be to c/c, c/r here vs most villains who dont have an obscenely low turn cbet or players who will spazz out vs a flop cr or opponents with a very strong pf 3b range.
Vs a normal lag tag I think we should be c/c alot here and If there is no FD on the flop.
In this isntance id been in villains face a few times so i felt fastplaying would be best and hope he takes a stand.
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Table 1, i think coldcalling is somewhat turning our hand face up as a draw, that said we`ll get to raise the turn if we improve the times the BB has something he wants to protect, and the SB then will probably call 2 cold if he has a hand like Adx or even Kdx. Its just not very likely that we can 3bet and barrel and have them both fold, the pot would then be pretty big on the flop and nobody ever folds made hands in big pots.
I thought this spot would be insteresting. I agree that cc does make our hand look like a draw but like you said, no-one folds anyway. Should we ever have strong made hand in our flop CC range to strengthen our range? Its difficult given BB was the flop aggressor.
I wonder how much of an issue being transparent on the flop is?
I do prefer a flop cc fwiw
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