Mid/High Stakes Limit Hold'em Poker Forums

game is 9 handed 60/120 at Commerce

villain (according to what i thought at the time) is a regular in the game who plays like the typical live semi professional at these stakes. Id say he plays slightly too LAG preflop and slightly too passive postflop overall but can randomly spaz out on a somewhat regular basis and do shit that makes no sense. Im wondering what others think about this thin call down.

Hero holds K7o and opens the button, villain 3bs SB, folds to hero who calls. Hero doesnt have a capping range in this spot which I believe to be relevant to the situation. (probably makes my calldown even thinner)

I am assuming his range is around top 35% here and can contain randomly weak hands on a whimsical basis.

Flop: J 6 2

Bet, call.

Turn: 5x

Bet, call.

Hero decides to continue with all Kx and is not sure what to do with QT, I think its possible villain is bet/bet'ing with his whole range so hero has implied odds to hit a pair and doesnt want to be folding too much.

River, 3x

Villain bets

Hero decides to make what he feels is an exploitable call, even tho he is at the bottom of his bluff catching range because he thinks villain wont necessarily value bet as thin as he probably should and could possibly barrel off with some Qx and worse making him possibly highly bluff oriented.

Looking at your range on turn, I think K7 is a pretty thin peel. By river I guess you have to call.

Unless I have K here, I just fold the flop. Don't really agree that you have massive implied odds when you hit a pair and your just going to get into this situation a ton.

I'd probably fold the Turn, but if I made it to the River, I'd strongly consider raising.

Since hero is close to the bottom of his bluff catching range I was also thinking of raising... how ever this doesn't really strike me as a good spot. There are very few straights (or TP+) in hero's range on this river, also the FD missed so as SB I'd be calling the raise quite light.

Since hero is close to the bottom of his bluff catching range I was also thinking of raising... how ever this doesn't really strike me as a good spot. There are very few straights (or TP+) in hero's range on this river, also the FD missed so as SB I'd be calling the raise quite light.

Are there any worse hands in Hero's range on the River? 98 is the only hand that comes to mind, but I'd expect Hero to put in a raise on this board texture.

In my experiences, live villains' tend to mindlessly barrel with a lot of hands that a typical internet player wouldn't consider. Hands like UI Kx and Ax hands.

I also think that a live player would be more suspicious if we raised a 3, because we didn't raise the Flop or Turn. I mean, who doesn't put in a raise with a flush draw?

Not really qualified to talk about adapting to live FL players... I was thinking that in theory you should bluff raise the best of your folding hands, not the worst. Not that it really matters so much, I think it has more impact when deciding to CR bluff. But on this board there are really few value raises for hero so it's easy to bluff way too much and hard to bluff too little.

Not that it really matters so much, I think it has more impact when deciding to CR bluff

Why would that be? (Have to add that I never played LHE) I mean generally it is better to bluff with Equity, because we need less Fold Equity / some breakeven bluffspots turn into profitable ones if we bluff with different hands.

This is river so all we need is fold equity.

In theory you should bluff raise river with hands that are just a bit weaker than your worst calling hands. This is because if villain makes a mistake (superhero call with Q-high here, or misclicks, or playing live gets a stroke and mumbles "call (an ambulance)" ) you still have a minimal chance of winning.

I think what I said in the post earlier is actually wrong: from strickly theory point of view, you should pick all of your river raise bluffs like that, regardless of position. But in practise, picking up the proper spot and frequency is much more important than which hand you actually raise bluff with.

What I had in mind was the fact that when you have a weak hand OOP that might win if river goes check check but isn't good enough to call, you can turn that into a bluff (instead of your weakest hands) now that villain bets. But when facing a bet in position, it's easier mentally (but not theoretically right) to strech your calling range a bit and raise with your very weakest hands.