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Villain is a competent Lagtag: 39/29/1,7 over 244hands
I was running pretty well in this session and propably had similiar stats.

I think my line is fairly standart but I just can´t wrap my head around his/her play. Please explain it to me...


Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 3 players

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with 7 A
Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 9 9 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) 2 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

River: (6.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: 6.25 BB
Hero shows 7 A (a pair of Nines)
BB shows 7 A (a pair of Nines)

Certainly not standard, but i think its fine to do occasionally vs a reg given the positions. Depends what hands hes doing it with and how it fits into his game plan vs u

I wouldnt be doing vs an unknown fwiw and i wouldnt do it with A2o for instance

If we are going to throw some Ax hands into our flop kr range, A7 is a pretty good candidate with a BDSD.

I dont know if i like the term "merging ranges" but i think its good to show up with a hand like this occasionally. I cant imagine its a big mistake as he may occasionally get you to fold a better hand or calldown with worse.

Also makes him harder to play against, potentially knowing he will kr u with a wide range on the flop

It's not a bad line, especially if he takes the strategy of never 3betting hu from the bb
he's likely to have the best hand(albeit a vulnerable one) if you're opening a good amount and if not you might fold a weak pocket pair(like 22/33) on the turn if the flush card hits or a 7/8 come in and you don't have a redraw.
you can't just check call check call check call ace hi on these boards and expect to make money against good thinking players.

If he's going to play it this way I think he should value bet the river.

Let me take a wild guess:

You played a Russian lowmidstakes grinder who tends to be a bit overaggro and doesnt really know how to induce in small pots, he likes to xR BPnK for value too and will reraise u on the turn with impunity after u have x/r the flop?

If he's going to play it this way I think he should value bet the river.

I think villain value betting the river is too optimistic. Even if we're calling down w K hi he doesn't necessarily have the equity.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.239% 44.25% 01.99% 100 4.50 { As7c }
Hand 1: 53.761% 51.77% 01.99% 117 4.50 { 55-33, ATs+, A8s-A7s, A5s-A2s, KTs+, K8s-K7s, 86s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, A8o-A7o, A5o-A2o, KTo+, K8o-K7o, 86o, 76o }

I'd treat a lot of high card hands the same as ace high here - certainly king highs and a lot of queen highs and maybe even worse - the board came ideally for us to bluffcatch

I agree with BBB I think if the villain wants to take this line a vbet is likely the best of his options. Even though his equity isn't great vs the IP callers range the best equity I can seem to muster for the oop geezer when c/cing the river is around 35% and that's assuming the IP player isn't vbetting that thin (only AK as opposed to AQ even though I think the vast majority would and should have an easy bet with that here) and is also assuming the IP player will bluff with all of his un-sdable draws that could have peeled the flop + turn including stuff like 75o/85/97 and a few of the crappist q's his which probably arn't calling the turn. Obviously take out some of those crap q's and bluffs (assuming he'll just give up some of the time) and our equity gets even worse.

Board: 9d 6d 9s 2s 3h
equity win
Hand 0: 34.135% { As7c }
Hand 1: 65.865% { 77, 55-33, AKs, A3s-A2s, K6s, K3s-K2s, Q6s, Qd5d, Qs5s, Qd4d, Qs4s, Q3s-Q2s, JdTd, JsTs, Jd8d, Js8s, Jd7d, Js7s, J6s, Jd5d, Js5s, Td8d, Ts8s, Td7d, Ts7s, T6s, 8d6d, 8s6s, 8d5d, 8s5s, 76s, 7d5d, 7s5s, 65s, AKo, A6o, A3o-A2o, K6o, K3o-K2o, J7o, T8o-T6o, 86o-85o, 75o+ }

Tell me if you think theres something wrong with my stove.

Just took a look at my stove again after getting the nagging feeling I'd posted a complete pile of shit and then noticed I messed up on some of the suited connector hands (and some other stuff) so our equity is actually a bit better then I expected vs an IP player who calls 2 then bets the river when we check to them:

Board: 9d 6d 9s 2s 3h
Hand 0: 38.835% { As7c }
Hand 1: 61.165% { 77, 55-33, AKs, A3s-A2s, K6s, K3s-K2s, Q6s, Qd5d, Qs5s, Qd4d, Qs4s, Q3s-Q2s, JdTd, JsTs, Jd8d, Js8s, Jd7d, Js7s, J6s, Jd5d, Js5s, T8s-T6s, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, AKo, A6o, K6o, K3o-K2o, T8o-T6o, 85o+, 75o+ }


Although I'll state again this is our best case scenario hoping he doesn't vbet that light, peels the turn fairly light and will bluff when checked to almost always. If we add all the AQs and AJs to his range we drop to about 35%.
I'm not sure what's best now, whilst we likely have better equity when we put the bet in ourselves I'm not sure if there's a mathematical reason that I'm overlooking (or just plain oblivious to) that may dictate c/cing is better. I'll have to leave it to you more intelligent dudes to work out.

Pretty hard to stove this kind of situation. Im guessing c/c is by far the worst play.

Hero will rebluff with alot of non-sd combos on the turn, so when he calls the turn he usually has high cards or a weak pair.

I think exploitively, you can prob c/f riv in villains shoes (if u decide not to vbet) as few regs ever get to the riv with worse and decide to bluff with it on this particular board. Eg K/Q high

Villains hand looks alot like a draw thats giving up or a flush draw thats backed into a weak pair on the riv (that should bet anyway)

Id say betting is slightly more profitable w/out a read, but like i said, there are several combos we are behind that prob wont bet for value on the riv like better Ax

If Hero is betting Ax for value on this blank riv, i will start kr him with pairs until he changes his mind

Let me take a wild guess:

You played a Russian lowmidstakes grinder who tends to be a bit overaggro and doesnt really know how to induce in small pots, he likes to xR BPnK for value too and will reraise u on the turn with impunity after u have x/r the flop?

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Checkraising this flop seems to counterintuitive (or whatever) to me. Why would we turn our bluffcatcthers to bluffs? By checkraising he makes it very expensive to get to showdown if/when we decide to semibluff our draws on the turn, as well as all of our valuehands. As played, if im the button and ive seen this line before, i`ll be very tempted to valuebet A10 and ofcourse anything better. A7 i think is stretching it too far, even though its probably close when villains playing like an idiot.