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live commerce 200/400 game. Game is OK. I am in BB, heisenb3rg (very good online tagish player) is in SB. 8-handed, folds to him he opens I call with K3

Flop is A K J
He bets. I call.

Turn is 8
He bets. I call.

River is 6

He checks. I check?

I don't think you will be getting c/r here a lot, because the river is a good card for your percieved range. While I can't really think of many bluff combos you can have except like T9, I'd still rather bet in this spot because I think we're ahead so much. If we bet we have to b/c vs him I think. Has to be close though.
(I played very few hands with villain and play much lower stakes so take it fwiw)

I think that you're getting CR'd much more often than you're getting C/C'd, and against Heis I'd probably bet to induce. He's very creative and aggressive, and nothing would make him happier than to publicly own someone, especially if he perceives you as a typical live nit.

You always have a weak Kx or a Jx(I'm assuming that you'd be raising a lot of your K's PF, and that you'd likely put some action on the flop or turn with an Ax or FD, straight), and he knows this. You also just never have any bluffs in your range(unless you're pulling off an amazing double float), so you're never folding to a river barrel. So basically, unless you randomly paired on the river, you have a hand that should seriously consider bet/folding versus a check/raise.

Also, he can't expect you to thinly VBet your Jx hands, but he can expect you to call them off, so it would make little sense for him to get sexy with a monster or whatever.

I see more value by checking the river and letting him open his hand than betting.

Doesn't our flop call mean his turn betting range is going to be fairly strong? I wouldn't be very happy calling a checkraise especially since he will do it for thin value. I'd feel good about a check back.

I see more value by checking the river and letting him open his hand than betting.

Do you have a river value betting range?

Do you have a river value betting range?

Obv a flush (and yes most of my flush draw combinations I'd just call), riv two pair w/K6, J6, I think raising A6 on the turn is correct, but I could see myself calling with it in a live game, short handed setting as well as all the other Ax combos.

I think you need to bet here and probably call a c/r although I wouldn't mind a 3bet depending how he sees you. I also think you should semibluff many of your flush draws on an earlier street, although I certainly just call a portion of them as well.

Doesn't our flop call mean his turn betting range is going to be fairly strong?

Not with the flush draw out there and all the paired-gutshots, I would think not, correct me if wrong though.

Im somewhat surprised how much people are saying the flush draw impacts both players ranges. I feel like we are at the top half of our value range that has called twice, as far as paying off the x/r I probably am not adept enough to comment. I think it probably depends on whether or not he can x/r some Kx for value (which I think would be good, atleast vs some opponents).

The only things worth considering are bet/call and check back, bet/fold would be the worst option. I think raising flop could be better since we don't peel here a ton...

The only things worth considering are bet/call and check back, bet/fold would be the worst option. I think raising flop could be better since we don't peel here a ton...

I feel like he's going to 3-bet flop a ton when I raise and I dont have a good answer to that.

Obv a flush (and yes most of my flush draw combinations I'd just call), riv two pair w/K6, J6, I think raising A6 on the turn is correct, but I could see myself calling with it in a live game, short handed setting as well as all the other Ax combos.

Why would it be correct for you to play your non-SDable draws passively, and your weakish Ax hands aggressively? I'd estimate that he's opening between 60%-80% of his hands, so there's a whole lot of nothing for him to fold out with our draws, or induce from with our Ax.

I'm also not sure how a live setting plays a role when we're dealing with a hyper-aggro internet whiz kid. Do we expect him to turtle up and start playing "solid" poker?

I feel like he's going to 3-bet flop a ton when I raise and I dont have a good answer to that.

Agreed, but it's one of those spots where you just have to "take your medicine" and call down against creative players. I don't think DD's advice applies when you're involved in a pot against the Stan, the retired father of 4, who plays 10 hours a week.

Spinoli, do you have a bluff range on the riv here when he checks?

Also, fwiw i think we get kr here at a good Freq by any player who is somewhat competant