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The Leap: Episode Five

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The Leap: Episode Five by DeathDonkey, BigBadBabar

DeathDonkey and BigBadBabar are playing short-handed $5/10 and $10/20 LHE and exploring the adjustments BBB must make in short-handed play.

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DeathDonkey works with BigBadBabar in his return to the video felt, helping him move up to where they respect his raises.

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  • Game: lhe
  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 71 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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Homofürst

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Time Link to 00:36:32

Betting out with a Boat doesn't make sense at all imo
Hero will most likely have a Fkush here;Maybe an light raise with Ax Diamond and therefore will call a bet with Ax but b/ca with a flush...
In his shoes I think a c/r would be the better play with a FH, He's kind of really repping a Q that wants to avoid a check behind of an Ax; though donking the flop wouldn't make sense ( but you gae some explanations for that)...

Posted over 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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I found it a bit surprising that you never even questioned the raise on the turn 9... maybe it's just how I run lately. It hits a fair part of villains resteal range and lots of the hands that the "wait till turn" raise targeted for value now end up owning hero. Am I thinking too weak here? FWIW, I'd have no hesitation about raising a paired 6 on the turn as it hits hero's range a lot better than villain's and can still occasionally prevent a 3! from overpairs.



Very weak imo, its just an auto raise, I think its maybe only slightly debatable if turn is a king

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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What's your Cut-off for Calling on the right?
I would have instafolded K6o here even knowing that the Isoraiser will isoraise light, but the hand itself is pretty hand and also has probably negative or at best neutral IOs.
But you will probs call all suited hands with these bad players in that spot even though ur oop.

What Hands would you 3bet approximately?
Not sure about how to play smaller PPs in that Spot.because it's fine getting the pot HU with Dead-money but creating a multiwaypot with 2 bad Players is nice aswell.



In the past I would've called (4handed pot right?) any ace here, any 2 cards above 8, any pair, any 2 suited, and tons of connected cards. DeathDonkey is having me open up more in these spots as you've seen in the series.

There are two limps and then a raise so the pot is going to be 4handed almost always, whether I 3bet or not. So I don't like 3betting super widely here, given that I'm OOP. I already have good relative position to the PFR and can donk (for value) or checkraise (for protection) a lot of favorable flops. Normally I 3bet just the normal big stuff here: maybe 88+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs. It's a pretty common spot and similar to the common 3handed spot where it goes limp, iso, you're in BB. It's a good Stove exercise.

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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I found it a bit surprising that you never even questioned the raise on the turn 9... maybe it's just how I run lately. It hits a fair part of villains resteal range and lots of the hands that the "wait till turn" raise targeted for value now end up owning hero. Am I thinking too weak here? FWIW, I'd have no hesitation about raising a paired 6 on the turn as it hits hero's range a lot better than villain's and can still occasionally prevent a 3! from overpairs.



I normally raise it more than I call it. I was a bit surprised that DeathDonkey thinks it's such a slam dunk, but this is the kind of thing he's helping me to improve on. I think in this particular instance I called either through distraction from talking, or because I was a bit shell-shocked from running poorly, or perhaps some combination of the two.

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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Again a question about your CCing and 3betting range on the left hand table with 98s.
Do you coldcall 3 with PPs, if so with any? I guess T9s is close aswell.
How do you balance it? With which Hands would you coldcap? 99+AKo+ maybe AQs aswell? Do you sometimes coldcall with AA or KK to mix it up or do you think the value you loose is more than the deception you create 4way?

about the Flopplay: you probably bet out with Sets on that Board aswell to balance your play I guess, Do you c/r at all on that kind of flop?



Up until a few months ago I've never had a call-2 range here - preferring to cap or fold anything I want to play (and this goes moreso for when the ranges are wider in a BTN/SB steal resteal or a CO/BTN steal resteal. Fnupple had a nice post about it which got me thinking, and also just there are some spots when the action comes from earlier position, or there's a bad player in the pot (or multiple ones) where not getting to the flop just seems wrong somehow. As I slowly move up, people are also more aggressive preflop, wider ranges, and more aware of stealing and restealing, so I think my preflop play needs to become more fluid as well, to match that.

So I'd say it's a spot I'm currently working on in my game - incorporating a call-2 range here. I do like OTR's recommendation in a FR game of when the raise comes from early position to cc the SB with hands you'd normally 3bet with. In the last few months I've been sometimes calling 2 here, probably with a pretty unbalanced range of stuff like QJs, JTs, smaller pocket pairs types of hands.

If I were going to coldcap I'd do it with the range you listed; maybe tweaking it a little based on who the pfr and pf3b are. If they're both super laggy then I'm opening up my range obviously.

I think eventually I will shift to calling 2 here with a lot more stuff, and possibly balancing it by including my big hands in that range as well, to balance and protect my range - stuff like AA, AKs balances stuff like 55, JTs. It's still in flux for me though.

Flop action - this is assuming I call 2 pf, right, and not that I capped? I would donk out strong value hands multiway 4handed, sure, especially on a board texture where it might not always get cbet. That would be with hands where I want/welcome heavy multiway action, like sets, big draws, maybe nut overpairs. I'd look to checkraise more with reasonable/medium value hands that benefit from protection and maybe folding some other players out - top pair, medium pocket pairs, etc. I'd be checking my misses too, obviously, like overcards.

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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Betting out with a Boat doesn't make sense at all imo
Hero will most likely have a Fkush here;Maybe an light raise with Ax Diamond and therefore will call a bet with Ax but b/ca with a flush...
In his shoes I think a c/r would be the better play with a FH, He's kind of really repping a Q that wants to avoid a check behind of an Ax; though donking the flop wouldn't make sense ( but you gae some explanations for that)...



Yeah, I agree that he should checkraise a full house. That was probably the main reason I ended up raising, as I talked about in the vid.

Posted over 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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I normally raise it more than I call it. I was a bit surprised that DeathDonkey thinks it's such a slam dunk, but this is the kind of thing he's helping me to improve on. I think in this particular instance I called either through distraction from talking, or because I was a bit shell-shocked from running poorly, or perhaps some combination of the two.



If I just randomly posted the hand and stopped the action after he bets turn I think the replies in our LHE forums would be some combo of "why didn't you raise the flop" and "of course raise the turn as played". I also think the river was a pretty clear fold that we missed / I didn't emphasize strongly enough how bad the river card was for us.

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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If I just randomly posted the hand and stopped the action after he bets turn I think the replies in our LHE forums would be some combo of "why didn't you raise the flop" and "of course raise the turn as played". I also think the river was a pretty clear fold that we missed / I didn't emphasize strongly enough how bad the river card was for us.



wait I thought he was talking about the Q9 hand on the right table where we turn second pair

Posted over 2 years ago

BigBadBabar

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That's what my previous commentary was referring to. I think the AQ on Q979 hand was pretty straightforward until I got 3bet on the turn.

Posted over 2 years ago

pasita

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Very weak imo, its just an auto raise, I think its maybe only slightly debatable if turn is a king


Ok played around a bit, 9 isn't one of the worst cards, but the times villain actually has it is costly. Probably had MUB from playing PLO. Not that I worried about the 9 as such, but hero's raise making villain fold hands that would give one more bet on the river. Again, not such a big issue in FL as I had in my head.

I still can't see raising a turn K based on equity or especially EV. You never abandon the plan of raising turn (for value) depending on the actual turn card (K is the worst one obv)?

All of this depends on parameters like villains range, folding range on turn, bluff/calling range on river.

BTW I was first thinking of this in a vacuum, but raising obv gets better if you can also throw in enough semibluffs in this spot.

Posted over 2 years ago

GGB

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BigBadBabar

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Pasita, could you confirm which hand you are talking about? AQ on left table or Q9s on right table?

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pasita

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BigBadBabar

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What river cards would you bet here?



Any board pair, as well as 5, 2.

Not A, K, J, 9.

Not sure about 6, 7, 8, but probably I would lean toward betting.

Posted over 2 years ago

pasita

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Time Link to 01:03:50

Oh regarding the Q9s hand: if villain CRs 22+ and all draws on the flop, I find raising the 9 quite adventurous (and that's assuming we can get away from a CR on the river when villain hits his draw). If he needs the usual 4+ to CR flop, I think raising the turned Nine lights about .4BB on fire.

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