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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with J A
2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls

Flop: (6 SB) 3 4 Q (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

River: (6 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds

No particular reads, player just sat down, 10 game. I am playing tighter than I probably should, but I think I have a winning image because I am the only player with a stack >100bb at this point (if that means anything). Seemed like a good spot to go for thin value with A high vs all of his Ax hands here right?

I think its a little thin actually. I think the turn is somewhat thin as well, I think betting for a free showdown is fine but Id consider checking back against good players but then again good players wouldnt usually take this villains line ... I think turn is fine but Id check back river. Most spots in lhe where we are betting A hi for value, on the river, are going to be spots where its extremely unlikely that your opponent can have a small pair. For example, you 3b the cutoff on the button with AK. Flop comes 22T. A lot of villains are going to c/r any pocket pair they would have opened from the cut off. Therefore, their c/c range is super high card heavy. This is a good spot to look to value bet all three streets. In your hand, your villain took a weird line so its a little bit harder to construct his range, and also, it wouldnt be a shock to me to see him show up with a pair. All just imo.


edit: if you had a certain read on your opponent then I could see vbetting the river
edit: another reason I dont like vbetting the river as a standard here is the actual board texture. On the turn when villain checks to us, the board is very good for our range. This not only means he could be defensivly playing a small pair, but it also means that we are going to have tons of other hands to value bet on this board after we 3b pre.

I would probably check back without a read the first time. It's a pretty bad board for him to call down ace high on - from his point of view, if you had a pocket pair you win, if you had Kx you win, Qx you win, so you have to have things like JTo, 98s, etc, and be firing 3 barrels with them. So I think when he checkcalls twice, a lot of his range is going to be either things better than your hand, which will call the river, or things worse than your hand, that won't. So I don't see a lot of merit in a bet.

I would probably check back without a read the first time. It's a pretty bad board for him to call down ace high on - from his point of view, if you had a pocket pair you win, if you had Kx you win, Qx you win, so you have to have things like JTo, 98s, etc, and be floating the flop and firing 3 barrels with them.

FYP.

Wow, I totally misread the preflop/flop action.

I think as played we were bluffing...? I don't hate the turn bet but probably would check it back, and as played I think the river bet is not good as a value bet. I'm not sure it's great as a bluff but I'd think that's more of what it'd be working as.

Yeah its just too thin, I mean its a bad bluff but I guess some guys could fold better, but its definitely a check. Turn is interesting I think, if you check turn you get in gross river spots, but I am not sure there was enough value in the turn bet.

Betting the turn cant be that bad? We shouldnt be getting cr`d all that often, we have good equity against eveything but a queen, even against that we have 7 outs, plus we charge all his worse draws.

I think as played we were bluffing...?

This was my initial impression as well and agree with the others that its a pretty bad bet in general (the river bet that is).

I suck at this game

Yeah no way river is a value bet. He just shows like 44 or K3 way too often. I would probably bet turn fwiw, for a combination of occasionally having the best hand/never having bad equity/staying out of weird river spots/and occasionally folding a better hand.