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SB: 27/21/2 64 hands. no specific reads, seems taggy.
UTG: 27/20/2 4K hands. Fairly straight forward megatabling TAG.

How do you play this flop and beyond?

Poker Stars $5.00/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1141335
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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is BTN with A Q
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls

Flop: (10 SB) 6 4 J (3 players)
SB bets, UTG raises

I think I 3bet some and fold some and I couldn't tell you specifically what makes me choose each, which isn't good, so I need to think about it some more.

If I knew SB led out monsters, I'd be more inclined to fold. If I knew UTG were aggro and raised his whole continuing range here, I'd be more inclined to 3bet.

Who were the villains? If you care to say.

This situation or an associated one (we raise or 3bet big cards pre and then it gets back to us on the flop for two bets and we have overs) is a pretty common one and I'm interested in what other people do here. I don't tend to have a coldcalling range but I'm wondering if I should be thinking about incorporating it. In the past I've tended to reason that the pot is so big that I should fight for it pretty hard and since I'd do so with my made hand range I tend to do so with my overcards and draws as well and go ahead and 3bet.

I'd call here. If the turn is an ace or a spade I call, if it's a Q I raise.

I think I 3bet some and fold some and I couldn't tell you specifically what makes me choose each, which isn't good, so I need to think about it some more.

I think there is not too much merit in a 3bet. It wouldnt change our equity drastically, and I dont think we could make both of them to fold.

I think there is not too much merit in a 3bet. It wouldnt change our equity drastically, and I dont think we could make both of them to fold.

I'm not doing it expecting both of them to fold by any means.

I'm not doing it expecting both of them to fold by any means.

Are you doing it for value?

I'm not even sure it's right, heh.

My thinking is that the pot is so big already that if coldcalling is a consideration, then investing just 1 more sb by 3betting has to be at least a consideration. Some of the good things that can happen: (whose value are kind of intangible but I tend to believe strongly that overall they equal at least 1 sb's value, or more): someone folds, or the action gets frozen (ie no one caps), or I disguise my handrange, or I can take a free card on the turn, etc.

And often I have some equity - up to 6 pair outs depending on how clean the overs are, plus on this board I have 2 backdoors to the nuts. So it's not like I'm investing 3 bets hopelessly.

every time i think about rolling up some lhe im going to read this thread and realize why not to.
1. i probably couldn't/wouldn't 3b here
2. awfkjsfhziogu if people do this and i have like 66 or something and get owned.

I have a really hard time believing SB coldcalled 3 pre (with those stats) and then led out this flop and will fold to any amount of flop action. I think 3 betting is way too expensive for nearly zero reward here, SB will often cap, and we simply don't have much of a hand. I would fold and I only think its slightly close because we hold the A

I have a really hard time believing SB coldcalled 3 pre (with those stats) and then led out this flop and will fold to any amount of flop action. I think 3 betting is way too expensive for nearly zero reward here, SB will often cap, and we simply don't have much of a hand. I would fold and I only think its slightly close because we hold the A

We have 20% equity vs their perceived range. Is it a clear fold?

We have 20% equity vs their perceived range. Is it a clear fold?

I wouldn't say its clear, no. I think we definitely have more reverse implied odds than positive implied odds, however. Not sure if its enough. If we do play I would straightforwardly coldcall and hope SB doesn't reopen the action.

I have a really hard time believing SB coldcalled 3 pre (with those stats) and then led out this flop and will fold to any amount of flop action...

Don't have much to add regarding how to play the hand, other than I agree pretty strongly with this statement.

I'd put Hero on 5ish outs here (that's including the backdoors) getting 7 to 1 or worse and no positive IO, so folding would be the disciplined play imo. Not that I always remember this game time.

I never understood why (also) seemingly good players raise in this spot.