sushiglutton
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Bryce reasons as follows: Since SB always c-bet any flop we are effectively getting 4:1 to play our hand in postion. The very bottom hands still have like ~30% equity. Given that we also have postion we should be abl to profitably defend any two.
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Does this mean that c-betting 100% is actually a quite poor and exploiatble strategy?
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sushiglutton
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Time Link to 00:12:50
I know this is requesting some extra work, but IMO it would be super useful if u guys actually had prepared some strategies for the flop in range form. Like: I think we should raise these hands and call these ones. At least one such strat (preferably one each) that u can have as a starting point for the discussion.
I mean u have to talk about balance in these wide range spot IMO, which u indeed do. But that discssion would be much more precise and easier to follow if we were given some visual support. An added benefit would be that it forces the two of u to really think through the situation.
Since I know it is not reasonable to request a master paper I think two lines each like
R: XX,...
C: YY,...
would be a quick way to give something concrete to discuss and stop u from using vague formulations ("we need to be balanced"). Also it's easier to discuss how to adopt when u have somethig to adopt from.
Obv it depends a lot of the opp, which is something to discuss (which u did).
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sushiglutton
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Time Link to 00:24:37
Interesting discussion on bluff raising this QT2r board. The thing that is weird is that all draws except 98 actually has some SD value on a double broadway board. Like if we bluff our stright draws lie K9, KJ what are we really hoping to achieve? On the other hand pure bluffing seems wild
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sushiglutton
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bigbluffben1
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Time Link to 00:55:19
I'm with DD on this one, I like raising any hand that I want to continue with here
Any pair, any draw and the very bottom of our range that we can use for bluffs to keep us balanced
I think the 45 is a perfect hand to do that with cause we've got some equity when he continues and we're getting a lot of better hands to fold and some percentage of the time the turn with come the 9
and he'll throw away a 3
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bigbluffben1
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I fire every river, I just don't see how that can ever be bad with our hand
We've got 5 high and we've taken somewhat of a strong line and sometimes the guy gets stubborn with some hands and is planning on b/c'ing and c/f'ing UI
EDIT: didn't even think about pairing the river, I like a check then 
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iplaylimit
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I have a complaint about non-poker technical stuff. As in all the 5 in a crowd series, DD's voice is much lower than mikel's. It's fine if I turn up my speaker, but when I'm commuting I cannot watch the video because I'll either miss all DD's comments or get my ears busted by mike's voice. Is there a way to fix it for future episodes?
Other than that great idea and I'll squeeze some time to watch and make some comments
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NinaWilliams
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Bryce reasons as follows: Since SB always c-bet any flop we are effectively getting 4:1 to play our hand in postion. The very bottom hands still have like ~30% equity. Given that we also have postion we should be abl to profitably defend any two.
Comments?
Does this mean that c-betting 100% is actually a quite poor and exploiatble strategy?
yes and no. C-betting 100% is not optimal. But realize that if we are checking flops, defending is more attractive because we can take free cards when we need them and win a few more pots UI
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DeathDonkey
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I have a complaint about non-poker technical stuff. As in all the 5 in a crowd series, DD's voice is much lower than mikel's. It's fine if I turn up my speaker, but when I'm commuting I cannot watch the video because I'll either miss all DD's comments or get my ears busted by mike's voice. Is there a way to fix it for future episodes?
Other than that great idea and I'll squeeze some time to watch and make some comments
EP 2 is recorded but I will work on this. Sorry about that, I am not accustomed to being more quiet than anyone!
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DD, if you call here with most hands, what hands do you raise the turn with? And what turn cards would you not be raising with a 5x hand? And how do you react to a 3-bet on the turn with a 5x hand, muck?
Well obviously an ace, other face cards are moderately bad. More important would be the villain in question, some guys just don't double barrel all the time and mike and I discussed that I think. Same story for what to do vs a 3 bet, I'd call down vs a lot of people because I think they can spaz out when you do that, and someone smart told me when people see you value raising thin they will try to 3 bet bluff you, but there are certain guys who just don't have that sort of thing in them, and a 3 bet is trips or better period.
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