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Villain is Scott C in a $4-8 10 game mixed game. Am I stuck calling all the way down with this hand or can you find a fold with this hand? There is some debate to either raise the flop when I am likely ahead and then to bet fold the turn when it gets ugly.

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with K Q
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) J 9 T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

River: (6.75 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
Hero mucks K Q
CO shows A J (a flush, Ace high)
CO wins 8.35 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

I think raising the flop is fine and probably standard, but I dont hate waiting till the turn since his range is strong and is going to be Cb;ing the turn often as he is going to want to collect value from all your single heart hands. This way we can wait for a non heart turn and c/r or just call when a heart lands. If a heart comes and he checks, I dont think this is a disaster as if we had c/r'd the flop and a heart comes on the turn, and he doesnt have a flush, hes probalby folding at that point anyway. This way if he does check when a heart comes, at least he may get curious and call a river bet as I dont think there are many hearts in his range that he would value check the turn with.


As played, im not 100% sure about the river, but I think in this situation I would call because Scott doesnt expect you to ever have a heart that you didnt raise the turn with since you raised UTG. I suppose you could have pocket 66 or 77 with a heart that you would play that way but that is a small part of your range.

Wow at flop call. Plz c/r everytime. Then c/c and c/c or c/f again based on timing/reads/feel.

Yeah i dont like check/calling here either, youre giving him the option to take free cards with small hearts + hands like AQ/AK which dont have fantastic, but some equity vs u and will call the cr and turn bet.

Yeah i dont like check/calling here either, youre giving him the option to take free cards with small hearts + hands like AQ/AK which dont have fantastic, but some equity vs u and will call the cr and turn bet.

anytime you go for a c/c c/r line you are giving your opponent the opportunity to take a free card ... that doesnt mean they will...

... I suppose you could have pocket 66 or 77 with a heart that you would play that way but that is a small part of your range...

Small point, but small hearts don't play on this board. Given this, Villain probably expects to be free roll bluffing with his river bet and we probably need to then call.

Small point, but small hearts don't play on this board. Given this, Villain probably expects to be free roll bluffing with his river bet and we probably need to then call.

Value Range:
AJx, AQx: 5 combos
AK = 1 combo
AKx nonheart = 2 combos
KQx = 2 combos
88 w/ a = 3 combos
For a total of 13 combos of value hands

Free Roll Bluffing Range:
AK non heart = 6 combos
KQ non heart = 3 combos
66 w/ a heart= 3 combos
For a total of 12 combos if he's taking this line every single time with these hands.

So 13:12 or 1.08:1. Also we're calling for a chop so we need to be getting 2.16:1 to break even on our river call if these assumptions hold true (anyone see more bluffs or a different value range here?).

So I think it's a call as played.

edit: I think I k/r this flop texture every time with this hand because of value and not wanting to give free cards against AK/AQ type stuff fwiw.

edit#2: had to edit the bluff combos
edit#3: editing combos again
edit#4: math is hard

Technically, every hand without a big heart is a bluff here, so the point I was trying to make is he's probably betting his entire range that he gets to the river with this way, which is a lot more than you've listed above.

Technically, every hand without a big heart is a bluff here, so the point I was trying to make is he's probably betting his entire range that he gets to the river with this way, which is a lot more than you've listed above.

Oops misread the board, that changes things. You're right. Even though the K combos are only 2 combos, but they should still be considered bluffs I suppose.

Do you think he expects us to fold baby flushes?

I think that it's notable that LHE isn't his main game so that should make us heir on the conservative side with his pf range. He might do some weird stuff pf I guess, but he can't get that far out of line vs UTG from the CO pf.

Ugh misread board again. The board obviously chops the baby flushes out of our range. Disregard the above post and embarassing baby flushes question. Sorry about that.

Totally agree that he'll turn small hearts into bluffs though 100% of the time. I do think that it's really important to note that LHE isn't his main game and that that will make him tend to gravitate towards tighter (and probably unbalanced) play. Also he'll tend to be tighter in general 3betting CO vs UTG. Which makes me think he'll likely give up some percentage of the time on the turn with his flop c bet bluffs.

I guess what I was trying to illustrate was that folding isn't really a good option on the river even though it's for a chop, and the more bluffs in his range, the worse of a mistake it is to fold.