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Say I wanted to take my range after I opened UTG in a 6 max game, Cbet the flop, and am now trying to decide what I want to do on the turn after this board runs out...

flop: 682 turn: T

my range - total combos: 201

sets: TT, 88, 66 - 9 combos
overpairs: AA, KK, QQ, JJ - 24 combos
top pairs: AT, KT, QTs, JTs, T9s - 33 combos
medium pairs: 99, A8s, 77 - 15 combos
A hi: AK, AQ, AJ - 48 combos
A hi + draw: A9, A7s - 20 combos
K hi: KQ, KJ - 32 combos
K hi + draw: K9s - 4 combos
good draws: QJ - 16 combos



... based on being GTO, how do I chunk together my
1) bet/3! range
2) bet/call range
3) bet/fold range
4) check to possibly induce UI
5) check to give up UI
?

Sorry if this is a n00b question

Interesting question!

Well, a lot of people balance by betting everything again. I assume you're HU vs the BB? I mean a lot of people bet everything again if say they were HU vs a coldcaller too, but being IP vs OOP makes a biggish difference.

Well, a lot of people balance by betting everything again. I assume you're HU vs the BB? I mean a lot of people bet everything again if say they were HU vs a coldcaller too, but being IP vs OOP makes a biggish difference.

Yea sorry if I wasnt clear, I meant heads up vs the big blind for this example. Can we use game theoretically optimal strategy to decide which hands to barrel with? I know that what is GTO is not necessarily right given the situation or the opponent, but Im just curious as to how you figure out what the GTO line is. This may not be a good example since our range is tight and strong, I thought using a smaller range than say, button open v defend, would make it easier to show an example of.

it is good to think about the game like this away from the felt

only have a minutes so - consider that you might not want to CB 100% of your opening range on that flop

K ill try myself lol...

So, assuming we are playing in a 1-2 blind structure, on the turn there would be 3.25 BB's in the pot, therefore, does GTO theory tell us to bet 1/4.25 % of our range? This would be about 78% of our range, or about 157 combos out of our 201. Then, I would assume we should balance the 44 combos we are checking so that we end up folding about 1/4.25, or 22% (about 10 combos), of our turn checking range on the river to counter act the 4.25:1 our villain would be getting on a river bet?

You'll have to give villain a range too to start with...

You'll have to give villain a range too to start with...

I don't think we do...

does GTO theory tell us to bet 1/4.25 % of our range? This would be about 78% of our range, or about 157 combos out of our 201.

Do you mean NOT bet 1/4.25 of our range? I'm not following here...maybe it's the pre coffee....but your way of looking at it looks like it's on the right track of something...

Shuttle, do you understand this stuff thoroughly?

Do you mean NOT bet 1/4.25 of our range? I'm not following here...maybe it's the pre coffee....but your way of looking at it looks like it's on the right track of something...

Yes! Ur right ... I was the one suffering from pre-coffee syndrome

Hmm...well, just a thought, but GTO, we want to make HIM indifferent to calling or folding, right? So, since 1/4.25 = 23.5%, maybe we want OUR range to contain 23.5% bluffs?? [ This totally doesn't take into account raising, draws, etc., cause I have no idea how to calculate all that stuff into a workable mathematical formula!! Just trying to get the theory of it right first...

Oh yeah, but we'd be laying HIM 4.25:1, I suppose...

Hmm...well, just a thought, but GTO, we want to make HIM indifferent to calling or folding, right?

and indifferent to raising, but you have pretty much nailed it here.

so we have some strategy and we will know that it is the GTO strategy when any change in our opponents strategy will cost them money. As in, any unilateral change in their strategy will not increase their EV from some certain base amount.

The EV formula that we want to use is the recursive one, where our strategy takes into account what will happen later on in the hand.

As for calculating the different ranges, this isn't something I have thought about that much with limit holdem. I'd really like to discuss this with some people though on skype. Perhaps we can start a group?

and indifferent to raising, but you have pretty much nailed it here.

so we have some strategy and we will know that it is the GTO strategy when any change in our opponents strategy will cost them money. As in, any unilateral change in their strategy will not increase their EV from some certain base amount.

The EV formula that we want to use is the recursive one, where our strategy takes into account what will happen later on in the hand.

As for calculating the different ranges, this isn't something I have thought about that much with limit holdem. I'd really like to discuss this with some people though on skype. Perhaps we can start a group?

Id love to, even if its just you and I lawl. I'm BJ.Como on skype.

and indifferent to raising, but you have pretty much nailed it here.

so we have some strategy and we will know that it is the GTO strategy when any change in our opponents strategy will cost them money. As in, any unilateral change in their strategy will not increase their EV from some certain base amount.

Wow.

The EV formula that we want to use is the recursive one, where our strategy takes into account what will happen later on in the hand.

This takes care of all of this somehow?!

As for calculating the different ranges, this isn't something I have thought about that much with limit holdem. I'd really like to discuss this with some people though on skype. Perhaps we can start a group?

Sounds like a fantastic idea to me!