motienko
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watching the first 2mins of the episode , i am a 5/10 reg now and those seats are horrible. On the left who cares if sethy is on auto pilot hes still gonna make less mistakes than u think , omg mrfokko is 23/16 nit , then u have wurst2000 wow is an old style tag (26/18/3). Jstana is the only short stack fish at the table. This table is horrible! Good luck winning money (sethy is gonna raise u out of everypot)!
The table on the right is only mildly better. HORJ is probably a fish but then u have the bgates 28/20 solid reg. idk discover2 guy but i say hes fishy cuz hes short. Then u have chezlaw & slappinhoez , 2 more regs btw!
I don't sit at either of them. Just because it's 5/10 now doesn't mean u can ignore seat selection. The rake is still very high. Few people exceed 1bb/100 over large samples these days and they dont do it sitting in those seats.
ok im done with seat selection rant.... i guess ill finish watching vid
I agree these are tough tables. Sethy Pooh is barely a winner if at all in these games but does make money since he plays so many hands. He has some exploitable tenencies and although I am not thrilled to have him in my game I am also not overly concerned since I have such a good read on him. Wurst is exactly as you described him. His straightforwardnes makes him easier to play against.
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Isn't chez really tight? I'd raise vs. players who are really tight, and from what I remember about him he's tight and semi-straightforward, which is a great player type to attack with a wide range in the SB.
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Boomer
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33% Fold BB to steal HU
That seems pretty high for defending in position vs a SB open.
I mean I highly doubt we're in "Defend 100% territory" given rake and that we're not up against humongous monster players but folding 1/3rd of your hands in that situation seems pretty tight.
Not saying 75o's a snap-open by any means but if that's true I can understand it although personally I'd probably chuck it but it's closer than I think is being given credit for.
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33% Fold BB to steal HU
I'm not sure if that encompasses SB vs BB, but if it does, I'm definitely raising 75o preflop. If you win 1.5BB 1/3 of the time, you're going to have to be up against an opponent with an *insane* edge on you postflop for you to worry about losing that much the other 2/3 of the time.
That said, I'd suspect that also includes times that someone raises from CO or BTN and SB folds, so he may be folding more like 25% of the time HU SB vs BB, but that's still very tight and I'd still be inclined to raise 75o vs. that.
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I totally agree with you here. You are going to get 3b a ton and he is definately the type who will be fighting back. He also has a high WTS. I am still looking for input on how this changes are range and strategy against a player like this.
Note that later he didn't 3-bet KQo vs our SB open. He's not 3-betting a ton.
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Boomer
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That said, I'd suspect that also includes times that someone raises from CO or BTN and SB folds, so he may be folding more like 25% of the time HU SB vs BB, but that's still very tight and I'd still be inclined to raise 75o vs. that.
I'm pretty sure Fold BB to Steal HU is just SB vs BB so it would be 33%
We've already got 46% earlier as his Fold BB to Steal overall.
Not that this information was available to us at the time but it was kinda suspected
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I'm pretty suprised of this talk of wether to open 75o here. I mean I probably haven't worked hard enough on my blind battle situations so maybe I'm being a bit wreckless but I tend to open 75o against pretty much anyone and I play 2/4, 3/6 where the rake is at it's worst and on Ipoker as well.
What kind of opponent would you least like the 75o open vs.?
Another good video, nicely done
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Hypothetical: If the hero would have checked this turn and You were in Wurst spot would a bet be good with a hand like TT,99? The hero would never check an Ace and he most likely doesn't have KQ since he capped preflop, would probably bet again on the turn along with QQ. Therefore, the hero has JJ,TT and maybe 99. Sethypooh will 3b lightly preflop and peel lightly post flop given the size of the pot. Sethy pooh would have raised an Ace on the flop.
If I were in Wurst's spot I'd just fold TT or 99 on the flop. I guess if I had a BDFD I'd call, so let's assume I had a BDFD, I called the flop, I turned nothing, I'd just check back because I think that I'm going to get called down by JJ-KK too often overall in a 3-way pot and I can still get checkraised.
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What kind of opponent would you least like the 75o open vs.?
Opponents that:
1) Never fold their BB HU (I imagine most LAGTAGs will defend 80%+ in this situation and in low rake games 100% has been suggested)
2) 3-bet ad nauseum in SB vs BB situations knowing you're on a wide range for opening the Small. As a guideline, in a 1/2 Structure where the Small is probably opening between 55% and 70% of his hands the BB can profitably 3-bet about 30% of his hands, maybe more given positional advantage. If this is happening regularly I don't want to be OOP and opening light on this guy. The fact it's BvB means even some standard TAGGY players will start mega-3-betting in this situation since it's a well known case where ranges are pretty weak mainly.
3) Make you life hell when they have position on you. Raise flops with pairs/draws/air/balanced range.
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aaahshoveit
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Cheers Boomer, yeh I should probably take the more stress free and bankroll saving route of folding some of these vs strong lag-tags and possibly vs maniacs too if I'm always being 3bet pre-f and then will rarely be able to bluff-semi-bluff the opponent off of a Khi hand post flop.
I usually favour opening something like 75o or 84s over something like Q3o though just due to playability but that may be a leak.
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Cheers Boomer, yeh I should probably take the more stress free and bankroll saving route of folding some of these vs strong lag-tags and possibly vs maniacs too if I'm always being 3bet pre-f and then will rarely be able to bluff-semi-bluff the opponent off of a Khi hand post flop.
I usually favour opening something like 75o or 84s over something like Q3o though just due to playability but that may be a leak.
Against strong lag tags you definitely should be considering folding this. Against maniacs you can make an argument for just calling -- against really really good TAGs you can do the same, I think (it's probably a fold at $5/10 but I think limping in the SB can be a very very valid strategy against good TAG BB opponents as long as you can do it with a reasonably balanced range).
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aaahshoveit
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Hi thanks for the info.
I always do consider folding it right before opening it 100% of the time, I just need to work on actually pressing that fold button.
Regarding 'it's probably a fold at $5/$10', is that mainly due to the rake?
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Boomer
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The rake at 5/T is definitely a factor (Think it's about 2.6BB/100) but what is also a factor on Stars is that it's a 2/5 structure so instead of getting even money on a steal you're now putting in 8 to win 7, meaning you have to win the pot more often for it to be profitable.
Both of these variables dicatate tighter play from the SB certainly.
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PygmyHero
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The KQo hand with an UTG PFR-er and a cold caller to us on the BTN:
One factor that I think wasn't discussed enough here is the benefit of knocking out the blinds and getting that dead ~1.5 big blinds into the pot. I actually was just discussing an almost exactly identical spot with a student the other day. We went over a Stove giving the players in front a reasonable range and then looking at our equity in 5-way and 3-way pots.
Actually, to be a bit more precise we looked at our +EV in those spots (that is, pot size * equity - amount invested PF). Now clearly PF hot/cold equity is never the full story but I think it's a good starting point for a lot of problems. In our situation we found that cold calling was worth 0.4 small bets, but raising and knocking out the blinds was worth over 0.6. That's a pretty decent increase imo.
Obviously this spot would come out a bit differently but I'd be surprised if raising isn't going to come out ahead unless we can drill down UTG and CO's range to BOTH be pretty tight.
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