motienko
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What adjustments would you make preflop in BVB situations when the blind structure is 2/5? Also, I have 770 hands on this player and he is 25/18/1.2...His WTS is 46%.
What adjustments should we be making since he has such a high WTS?
I would fold 75o from the SB here given the blind structure, the villians WTS and also the fact that he is a tough player. I may be playing too tight in these situations.
Against players who will fight back in situations like this, is it better to tighten up and not get involved as much? Or should we be making adjustments post flop and getting to showdown more or taking the fight back too them?
I feel as though quite often I raise preflop, bet the flop and they call and then get in tough spots from the turn onward. I do CR the turn after being in the lead on occassion which I think is a good idea. I still think I need work in these situations.
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motienko
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Hypothetical: If the hero would have checked this turn and You were in Wurst spot would a bet be good with a hand like TT,99? The hero would never check an Ace and he most likely doesn't have KQ since he capped preflop, would probably bet again on the turn along with QQ. Therefore, the hero has JJ,TT and maybe 99. Sethypooh will 3b lightly preflop and peel lightly post flop given the size of the pot. Sethy pooh would have raised an Ace on the flop.
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VUcats
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Yeah I'll yell here and say that people never fold here.
Basically this guy's flop calling range is some pairs and Jx/Tx. If the river is a 2, then I like betting a lot more. There's just not much incentive for this guy to fold the river even with Tx.
You guys talked a bit about having a turn c/r range, which I agree wholeheartedly with. But the reason that having a turn c/r range is good (besides for balance considerations) is that people assume you are weak when you check the turn. That means they won't want to fold pairs on the river.
Also, there was some talk about setting up a dynamic where this guy v-checks turns often against us letting us make thin v-bets on the river. But once we see that he's v-checking turns a lot with middle pair type hands, won't we completely stop going for turn c/r with our strong hands? Meaning that this river dynamic is again thrown off. We won't have many value hands at all in our river betting range. Doesn't apply for this specific hand since those adjustments haven't been made yet, or course.
So yeah, long winded way of saying that I think a bluff on this river is disastrous. In theory he might not be correct to call very often (although that assumption depends on us having a fairly strong/balanced turn checking range), but most guys won't pick up on that anyway.
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Busting you
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watching the first 2mins of the episode , i am a 5/10 reg now and those seats are horrible. On the left who cares if sethy is on auto pilot hes still gonna make less mistakes than u think , omg mrfokko is 23/16 nit , then u have wurst2000 wow is an old style tag (26/18/3). Jstana is the only short stack fish at the table. This table is horrible! Good luck winning money (sethy is gonna raise u out of everypot)!
The table on the right is only mildly better. HORJ is probably a fish but then u have the bgates 28/20 solid reg. idk discover2 guy but i say hes fishy cuz hes short. Then u have chezlaw & slappinhoez , 2 more regs btw!
I don't sit at either of them. Just because it's 5/10 now doesn't mean u can ignore seat selection. The rake is still very high. Few people exceed 1bb/100 over large samples these days and they dont do it sitting in those seats.
ok im done with seat selection rant.... i guess ill finish watching vid
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alexhandros
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"Have we got any reads on Slappin Hoz ability to take three to the face"
One of the best lines ever...vid is good, I like the discussion group format a lot. I think just check/folding the JJ when the Q turns in that big pot is much better than betting given our detailed reads on the tight villain to our left.
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oh god i fold 75o with chez in the BB
Isn't chez really tight? I'd raise vs. players who are really tight, and from what I remember about him he's tight and semi-straightforward, which is a great player type to attack with a wide range in the SB.
Rob
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Boomer
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Yeah I'll yell here and say that people never fold here.
Basically this guy's flop calling range is some pairs and Jx/Tx. If the river is a 2, then I like betting a lot more. There's just not much incentive for this guy to fold the river even with Tx.
Well, part of the reason I want to have people yell is to post hands where they either valuebet thin on this board texture and got called by worse, or when they bluffed and it didn't work. Otherwise we're still at the anecdotal point where we say that most of his range is heavily weighted toward weak hands (he doesn't have many solo Jx hands that call that flop, IMO), but we're not bluffing because people just "say" he doesn't fold.
The main point about the rant, besides to explore handranges overall, was to determine that we autopilot too many decisions based on limited information, even when our opponent's handranges are really clear, because of truisms like "people never fold a pair." I think it's ideal to avoid those sort of truisms unless met by a glut of other information, and from what I've seen in these games people are missing profitable bluffing spots because they're afraid they are going to be called 70% of the time (so what?).
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Isn't chez really tight? I'd raise vs. players who are really tight, and from what I remember about him he's tight and semi-straightforward, which is a great player type to attack with a wide range in the SB.
Rob
43k hands Fold BB to steal 46% , WTSD 44 , he never folds IMO
would u open 75o in this structure now?
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bigbluffben1
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43k hands Fold BB to steal 46% , WTSD 44 , he never folds IMO
would u open 75o in this structure?
Thanks for the read 
I don't think the structure is going to have an effect on my opening ranges here, If I wasn't going to open it, it would be cause of the player not the structure
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Psychobingo
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It`s been a while since i played chezlaw, but seeing as he is probably a regular in these games, should we be stealing with 75o? EVEN though he folds his BB to a steal too much, he might not be folding it vs a sb steal? Proper blind war strategy would either be to try to run him completely over, or just kinda play snug and look for better spots vs the weaker players at the table?
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motienko
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oh god i fold 75o with chez in the BB
I totally agree with you here. You are going to get 3b a ton and he is definately the type who will be fighting back. He also has a high WTS. I am still looking for input on how this changes are range and strategy against a player like this.
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