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aaahshoveit

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Assume MP and the SB are solid lagtag types and UTG is a loose passive station.
Would you play this the same way? Comments or questions on any street are appreciated.

$10.00/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 6 Club 6 Diamond
UTG calls, MP raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls

Flop: (12 SB) Q Club 3 Club Q Spade (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP 3-bets, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (10.5 BB) A Club (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets, SB folds, Hero calls

River: (12.5 BB) 4 Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero folds

Final Pot: 12.5 BB
MP wins 12.35 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

Posted over 2 years ago

Juice

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I like preflop. On the flop, I think its correct for MP to 3-bet all his value hands (probably 77+, all Qx), therefore, he should probably play a flush draw this way as well so I like not giving up on the flop. The pot is also huge on the turn so our FD probably has enough potential, once were HU, to peel again. Id also never pay off on the river here.

Posted over 2 years ago

Alexashka

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Very confusing hand. As expected, when playing huge pots with super marginal hands hehe.

I think a flop raise is bad because it doesn't chase out the 6 outers and bloats the pot when you're likely behind... As played, I agree with the river fold.

Posted over 2 years ago

pasita

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I think a flop raise is bad because it doesn't chase out the 6 outers and bloats the pot when you're likely behind...



I'd think there are a load of 6-outers without draws that just can't call the raise even if they knew exactly what hero has since they still need to deal with SB. UTG can have practically any crap and MP didn't cap so there should not be AK or TT+ out there (excluding SB). I think the raise is a well spent small bet in big pot and the spot is a good one as there are actually 4 cards that can hit the muck.

So I'd play all the streets the same.

Posted over 2 years ago

LCjohnsnow

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Deepsquat

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Im cool with pf.

Flop and Turn are standard imo

You can fold the river and not worry to much about it, you beat nothing.

Posted over 2 years ago

LCjohnsnow

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What kind of range would be okay to call with pf?

Posted over 2 years ago

Deepsquat

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What kind of range would be okay to call with pf?




If im confident UTG will call, i think any PP is fine. Not sure if you can definateively calclulate this, depends how well you play pf, but i think 66 is prob the same as 22

Posted over 2 years ago

aaahshoveit

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Thanks for the replies. Seems like most people are on board with how I played it so that's cool.
Whilst I'd usually call here pre-f with all my PP's I don't know how good it really is.
Also I'm not 100% sure I should have raised the flop, I can see some merit to all 3 options.

Posted over 2 years ago

DeathDonkey

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I think the most difficult decision is on the flop. Do you guys think we have enough positive things happen when we raise to justify it? I see a huge parlay of us 1) getting a hand to fold that we want to fold, 2) not being up against a monster, 3) not getting bluff raised off our hand anyway. I'd probably just call flop but I am not sure that's right.

Posted over 2 years ago

pasita

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My gut reaction:
1) getting any 2 overs to fold is good, especially since the board is paired above 66. There's going to be a load of cards (8+) that bring out draws plus counterfeiting outs.
2) There are two queens onboard, so there aren't really that many actual monsters about who can go wild for value. AQ, KQ, QQ, JQ, QT, (33), AA-KK(?). A great majority of those would fit hero's range, too.
3) Most other hands are somewhat likely to take passive lines, at least in my experience (might even be site dependent). When I raise this flop, I'm going to have a very showdown bound range, so if someone decides to bluff me out of this, it's going to cost him dearly (against my range, not this particular holding).

Might be a bit of a parlay, yes, but the pot is 13sb when it comes to hero... isn't this the time to be optimistic and put in the extra sb since we're calling any way?

Posted over 2 years ago




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