obadonke
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nice vid! Thanks OTR. You always manage to say something that has me stuck scratching my head for a while and you didn't dissapoint this time (e.g. comment near the start about calling down light gets progressively more of a mistake the more we value bet light.. argh).
(EDIT: Oh, and having wrong hand displayed in the replayer.. not so good
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Checking the turn here confuses me quiet a lot, doesn't this give El Fumador licence to value bet you or are you counting on him bluffing at a higher frequency than vbet the river? Checking would appear to define the hand to him quite well. If you put him on a hand that you're ahead of I think that maybe the worst thing about checking the straight up lost value. Thinking about it I probably agree that betting the turn seems the better line.
If you were to take check line say, what other hands are you checking here? Also what advantages would you say there would be in checking this hand in particular? Against a very aggressive opponent I can see inducing bluffs being very effective whilst preserving equity when behind. It's very interesting because I haven't thought about this much until I saw this.
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Also doesn't checking make a villains play of calling wider on the flop more correct?
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Psychobingo
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I prefer a turnbet because its not that likely that a good player will interpret your check here as a sign of giving up, and we will probably get called by K highs and bad Ax hands that we`re kind of freerolling against. My question is given that we do bet the turn, how to proceed on various rivercards that dont improve our hand?
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OnTheRail15
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Checking the turn here confuses me quiet a lot, doesn't this give El Fumador licence to value bet you or are you counting on him bluffing at a higher frequency than vbet the river? Checking would appear to define the hand to him quite well. If you put him on a hand that you're ahead of I think that maybe the worst thing about checking the straight up lost value. Thinking about it I probably agree that betting the turn seems the better line.
If you were to take check line say, what other hands are you checking here? Also what advantages would you say there would be in checking this hand in particular? Against a very aggressive opponent I can see inducing bluffs being very effective whilst preserving equity when behind. It's very interesting because I haven't thought about this much until I saw this.
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Also doesn't checking make a villains play of calling wider on the flop more correct?
All of this would be true if I was only checking a very narrow and weakish sd range here. But I'd be checking a huge range in this spot since I think this particular board texture fits within his range way better than it does within mine.
Honestly I wouldn't mind a check with any part of my range in this spot.
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I prefer a turnbet because its not that likely that a good player will interpret your check here as a sign of giving up, and we will probably get called by K highs and bad Ax hands that we`re kind of freerolling against. My question is given that we do bet the turn, how to proceed on various rivercards that dont improve our hand?
I'd probably c/f here a lot more than you would though so it fits well within my overall strategy.
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