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Super Dry Board on Flop


iammojay

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So, to be clear, the game is $5/10 6max. I'm BB, and opponent is BT with a range at 45% or so. Let's assume opponent is at least a decent thinking player who will notice anything super-obvious and adjust.

The board is dry. A83r or K72r etc. etc. According to my math, I can often c/r ATC profitably here...at least til I get caught doing something too shady.

So the question: With immediate fold equity this high, would I ever actually want to check-call? It seems to me on this board, I'd want to simply c/r every hand worth check-calling (i.e. c/r = more profitable) plus a bunch of air (but not ATC.)

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pasita

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I'm not sure constantly check raising hands that only get action from better hands and fold out only worse hands is a good habit.

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iammojay

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I'm not sure constantly check raising hands that only get action from better hands and fold out only worse hands is a good habit.



If I told you on a board your opponent opened 100% of the time but only called a c/r on the flop with top set, you'd c/r 100% of the time, right? And you'd do this happily even though you'd only be called when you were behind.

Posted over 1 year ago

pasita

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I'd rather slowplay a big chunk of my value hands in that situation, assuming he has more realistic game plan on the big streets.

Posted over 1 year ago

sweetjazz3

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If I told you on a board your opponent opened 100% of the time but only called a c/r on the flop with top set, you'd c/r 100% of the time, right? And you'd do this happily even though you'd only be called when you were behind.



You definitely shouldn't check/raise middle set in this scenario. (Would it be for value? a bluff?)

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DeathDonkey

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You definitely shouldn't check/raise middle set in this scenario. (Would it be for value? a bluff?)



Exactly, if my opponent is so exploitable then I will exploit him by bluffing a lot but playing my marginal value hands differently.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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C/r'ing all hands may be profitable, but it's more profitable to check/call with some hands.

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kpr16

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If I told you on a board your opponent opened 100% of the time but only called a c/r on the flop with top set, you'd c/r 100% of the time, right? And you'd do this happily even though you'd only be called when you were behind.



Pot size correlation, then information hiding. In that order.

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pasita

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Pot size correlation, then information hiding. In that order.


I honestly have no clue what that means in this context.

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DeathDonkey

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I'll try to translate...pot size correlation is the idea that you take a line which makes the pot size "correct" for the type of hand you either have, or are drawing at. For example second pair never wants to play a big pot, but a flush draw is somewhat happy to, since if you hit the hand, it can stand action.

Information hiding is somewhat the same as saying "balance" - to not make your actions transparent, to protect your ranges, etc.

Posted over 1 year ago

pasita

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Nope, still don't get the relevance. If we have TP+ against this villain we want to play a big pot (assuming he plays somewhat more standard on later streets), but never by raising the flop, as that only generates a big pot when we're crushed.

If villain is totally oblivious to our range and is folding to our raise 99.5% of the time, I have absolutely nothing to hide or balance (GTO-wise), it's all about exploitation.

This discussion would make a lot more sense if villain had a realistic strategy.

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kpr16

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This discussion would make a lot more sense if villain had a realistic strategy.




Or if Villain was realistic himself. No one is completely oblivious. The only thing I was trying to say in my post is that OP seemed to be playing all his hands the same for the purpose of info-hiding. I may have misunderstood the point of the post, but it's mostly because in practice I'm against exploiting 100 percent maximally.

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pasita

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Ok thanks, got it. I guess I got confused because of the part you quoted. Or then I still am Smile

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