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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Mid Stakes)

I really don't think iso raising a poor player who limps in the CO with J7o on the button can ever be as bad as you seem to think it is. Sure, at that point BB looked laggy, but it was over 8 hands. That's not enough of a reason for me to not isolate here. Sound the drums of war Joe.

The discussion about check-raising over donking out a river improvement was interesting. NW you say that 'checkraising only has to work half the time' for it be as profitable as donking out, but you don't really discuss much the idea of villain betting for value and folding to a check-raise. Perhaps you just feel most players cant bet-fold these spots?

Certainly against me, if that T spades rolled off on the river, I may bet thin but would have no problems releasing 2 pair or sets if check-raised. For that reason I think (vs me) donking out is going to be better, as I may look up the donk with single pair hands that would check back if checked to.

thats pretty much it. I don't think people can b/f. Even if they do, we get the same as if we donked.

Nina I was hoping you could elaborate a bit on why you like 4betting this flop with the 8h7h flush draw + gut shot.

Are you targeting a player who would 3bet a hand like AQ and check the turn for a free show down, trying to get him to fold?

I have heard that when both players are on draws/bluffs/semibluffs, the player who puts in the last raise wins....is it something like that?

because our equity is so good that we only need to get a small number of folds for a 4 bet to be correct. We're putting in 1 more bet, but our equity is going to be a little less than 50%. This mean that we're getting a really good price to bluff by risking a very small percentage of a bet.

I consider it similar to a freeroll. We have 1/2 the pot equity wise, so I might as well try to lock up the other 1/2. Not sure if this makes sense when I type it out, but it does in my head.

If he ever rebluffs with a draw or makes overcard raises it allows us to punish him as well with our draw and induce him to make mistakes.

See I think your advice in the two paragraphs is somewhat contradictory. Basically you want to bet the flop (not saying this is necessarily wrong), and then when you get called by a couple players and the turn comes a not great card - which is going to happen a significant portion of the time! - you want to check/fold. I don't really see how we get all but one, or everyone to fold on this flop, I think the fact that 2 out of 4 opponents folded is pretty good, the turn came a reasonable but not good card for us, and suddenly its like "um we are 3 ways with AQ high on a middle card board, check fold seems pretty decent" and that's totally true! I just think that's pretty much true on the flop as well.

So you are saying since it will be very difficult to get folds on the flop and there are so many bad turn cards for us it is better to just check and take the free card now? If there were one less player would you be more likely to want to bet?

Also, if the player to our left had folded to the flop bet, things would have played out differently. First, he has bad relative position and will be forced to fold a lot of his holdings unless he is a complete fish which he very well may be. Second, if he does fold it is possible more players would have folded not getting the better odds. Third, if the player to the left folded then we may have had a chance to just check the turn and hope to hit on the river or to showdown with the best hand.

Maybe this is too much of a parlay but it was my thinking at the time.

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This is frowned upon by "standard TAG" lines, but could we possibly overlimp with 89o in CO in position against Owebama-monkey? Why not?

This is frowned upon by "standard TAG" lines, but could we possibly overlimp with 89o in CO in position against Owebama-monkey? Why not?

I just don't think its profitable multiway. I think the reverse implied odds with the hand are too high.

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Even he doesn't know.