BigBadBabar
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I don't love the iso. You have a pretty marginal hand but I think the big problem is that you have very little SD value against a guy who is playing very oddly.
The flop is actually a good example - your read was dead on but you still couldn't do anything about it. He's just going to put us in a lot of really awkward post flop spots.
i just re-watched it and you are right that it's too thin. the other thing is it's not like everyone to my left is super foldy. and the guy is a big fan of donking.
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BigBadBabar
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Yeah I also agree with your second analysis - I feel we should bet this river. I also think we should tend to use the same logic and bet the turn:
If villain has KQ type hands he might bet if we check and will probably not raise if we bet.
If villain has QQ- he is much more likely to put a bet in by calling than betting.
So taking those things together I think the bet goes in better when we lead than x/c.
Also the pot is still mw on the turn so we should not hand out free cards to JT, 5x, and the like.
Lastly, I know I pointed this out earlier ITT but I really think it's important to know how your hand affects the villain's range. As we have a K there is now only ONE way for villain to hold KK. Without it he has THREE ways - that's a huge increase.
i think the other thing is i shouldn't be so worried/scared to bet the turn and probably fold if raised. i think sometimes i don't want to be 'tarped' but then i end up missing value or calling down passively and a similar result gets achieved.
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Given your read on his range once he bets the turn, I'm interested on how you would play a blank river. Are you Ch/Folding if say a 7 instead of an 8 rolls off? Do you expect there to be any bluffs in our opponents range? Do you ever see someone value bet QQ here?
I guess now that I think about it, the 8 doesn't really change much with regard to the strength of our hand to our opponents, so maybe you should still donk out as a value bet whether or not you improved with the 8?
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BigBadBabar
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Given your read on his range once he bets the turn, I'm interested on how you would play a blank river. Are you Ch/Folding if say a 7 instead of an 8 rolls off? Do you expect there to be any bluffs in our opponents range? Do you ever see someone value bet QQ here?
I guess now that I think about it, the 8 doesn't really change much with regard to the strength of our hand to our opponents, so maybe you should still donk out as a value bet whether or not you improved with the 8?
yeah, the 8 doesn't really change things. weird hand where i totally reversed myself and talked myself around to the opposite thing in the analysis. i think donkfolding a brick river would be fine.
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