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Close but No Cigar: Episode Three

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Close but No Cigar: Episode Three by Entity, OnTheRail15

Entity and OnTheRail15 review OnTheRail's play at $15/30 and $30/60 LHE.

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Coming off a close finish on a prop bet in 2009, Entity is taking LHE DC members and discussing any and all topics from the small to high stakes.

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  • Game: lhe
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  • 88 minutes long
  • Posted about 3 years ago

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OnTheRail15

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U talk about he probably raises the flop because it's multiway. Note hower that BB FOLDED to the 3-bet pf!




lol I guess he did. Good catch.

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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Q8o: Aren't u afraid u will get a really thin value-bet range on the turn if u check Qx? How often do u XR an A on this board? So basically u will only fire a stronger Q (?) or 2pairs on the turn for value. But u have all those bluffs. Now like u said u give up and XF some of them, but still.




I'd probably c/r most of the stronger part of my range rather than b/3bet. And I'd probably mostly give up with total air. Of course I'd bet some of my value range, but I also think I'll be c/r some draws again on the turn rather than barreling them.

Basically I think checking is a better way to play most of my range here than betting is, even with air and draws.

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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Do u guys think this XR 76s is something for me to do at 5/T? Or is it more a high stakes play?

Is it correct that u don't XR some of ur straight draws on a board like this with high cards because they have too much SD value (QJ, Q9)? And does that allow u to XR more cheese Smile?

I always thought this was a bad board to bluff, because he hits it too much and w are gonna have to fire multiple barrels. Interesting...




First question: I think you should do it more at 5/T if anything as ppl will be less likely to sd and more likely to play hand strength rather than relative hand strength. I will say you'll find more ppl at 5/T who will just never fold a pair or ace high no matter how the board comes, and against them, you'll do better just c/r ur standard value+semibluff range.

Second question: Yes that's right.

Third question: I guess it's not really a question, but you pick up lots of "bluff outs" on these board textures so, as long as ur opponent isn't playing exploitably in the manner I talked about above (never folding no matter what), you should of course try to take advantage of those "outs".

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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motienko

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Time Link to 00:00:53

The time stamp is wrong here. This is about the 4:30 mark where OTR has KTo in SB against a passive B raise.

I have been thinking about this and am wondering if the following would be reasonable adjustments preflop.

I am giving the button a 25% preflop raise range. Obviously this could be a little too high or too low. I will also assume the BB will be calling a 3 bet somewhat frequently and calling one bet very frequently. I am also assuming that the button has a fairly high WTS. I realize there are other things to consider but lets just keep this simple.

I would fold KJo and just call KQo. I would raise AQo

I would call A4s-A8s and raise A9s+

I would call 55s and 66s and raise 77+. If I thought that these players might overplay hands post flop and were supershowdown bound I might call with 22-66.

I would call JTs,QJs,KTs, and raise KJs+

I would raise AT+

I would be very interested to here what you think.

Posted about 3 years ago

motienko

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Time Link to 00:37:20

The cap with pocket 55s seems a little light to me. Even if the button is capping light, you are a coin flip at best against him, and there is still a third player whom you will be OOP too, assuming he calls. Your implied odds aren't as good since button is going all in.

I would need 77+ here.

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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The cap with pocket 55s seems a little light to me. Even if the button is capping light, you are a coin flip at best against him, and there is still a third player whom you will be OOP too, assuming he calls. Your implied odds aren't as good since button is going all in.

I would need 77+ here.




But I'm going to flop a set?

Posted about 3 years ago

Entity

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The cap with pocket 55s seems a little light to me. Even if the button is capping light, you are a coin flip at best against him, and there is still a third player whom you will be OOP too, assuming he calls. Your implied odds aren't as good since button is going all in.

I would need 77+ here.


It's pretty close. Your implied odds aren't good but because it's a dry sidepot, your effective odds will be much better. Capping is probably slightly better than calling as you won't get bluffed on some boards where you have good equity against both of their ranges (A72, for example), and can prevent them from taking free cards in what turns out to be a decent pot.

I think 55 is probably my cutoff here, so it's not like it's a super easy cap, but I think it's ok given the dynamic and the likely-to-be-allin-player.

Rob

Posted about 3 years ago

motienko

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It's pretty close. Your implied odds aren't good but because it's a dry sidepot, your effective odds will be much better. Capping is probably slightly better than calling as you won't get bluffed on some boards where you have good equity against both of their ranges (A72, for example), and can prevent them from taking free cards in what turns out to be a decent pot.

I think 55 is probably my cutoff here, so it's not like it's a super easy cap, but I think it's ok given the dynamic and the likely-to-be-allin-player.

Rob



I agree capping is better here. I was talking about folding 55, 66 and capping 77+. I stoved 55s against two pretty wide ranges and they have about 33% equity. It seems to me the fact that we will be OOP post flop, assuming the co calls, would make this a loosing play.

Would the reason you play this be that when we cap, we build a biggish pot and take over the inititiave against the CO who presumably has a wide range and will be forced to fold on a lot of boards? This would then leave us with the button, whom we are a coinflip against but with more money at stake.

In your opinion, is only playing 77+ here too tight?

Thanks

Posted about 3 years ago

motienko

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Time Link to 00:56:51

Does calling down a 3b apply to smaller stakes games like 3/6 and 5/T or is this more of a higher stakes dynamic.

Posted about 3 years ago

OnTheRail15

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Does calling down a 3b apply to smaller stakes games like 3/6 and 5/T or is this more of a higher stakes dynamic.




I mean there are certainly people in any game against whom you should fold to a threebet. So I'd say it's more player dependent than stakes dependent.

Posted about 3 years ago

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