September 21, 2011

A guide to plo8 sngs. pt 1

A couple hands of sngs

Early stage play

I play extremely nitty out of position but tend to open up a bit more on the button and might call a min or 3x raise at 10/20 with hands that are double suited or make the wheel a fair amount. This is in addition to the standard value hands were peeling with, like our a2xx, a3xx combos (perferably with the ace suited and other support like another wheel card. Hands like a6tj I would just muck this early on since it never has a shot at making the wheel, and we have few chances at making the nuts or hitting boards where we will easily get value. On the other end hands like 2345 ds hit alot of boards where we will have nut low with redraws and stuff like that.

3 betting in these early stages should be left to the top of our value range, and preferably when were in position. An important thing to remember is that hands run really close in equity in this game so we always have to try and interepret the strength of our villains' hand to find our next correct move. Omaha eight or better is a post flop game, and you certainly shouldn't get attached to your equity pre flop.

Try and remember that you can turn aces into a bluff, (for example: when the board comes single suit and you either have the nut flush blocker or just want gamble that your opponent isnt the holding correct other ace in his hand in a heads up single raised or 3b pot) and on some boards it is better than playing off the value of aces. (But on high paired dry boards we will mostly be playing our aces for value like on a kh ks 3d board.)

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Hero (SB): t2143 42.86 BBs
BB: t1560 31.20 BBs
UTG: t1857 37.14 BBs
UTG+1: t1160 23.20 BBs
MP1: t605 12.10 BBs
MP2: t3118 62.36 BBs
CO: t1095 21.90 BBs
BTN: t1962 39.24 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with A of clubs T of spades 3 of clubs A of hearts
3 folds, MP2 calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, MP2 calls t150

Flop: (t450) 4 of hearts 6 of clubs Q of clubs(2 players)
Hero bets t300, MP2 calls t300

Turn: (t1050) 7 of clubs(2 players)
Hero bets t550, MP2 calls t550

River: (t2150) J of hearts(2 players)
Hero bets t1093 all in, MP2 calls t1093

Final Pot: t4336
Hero shows A of clubs T of spades 3 of clubs A of hearts (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,6,4,3,A)
MP2 shows 7 of diamonds 6 of hearts T of diamonds 3 of hearts (HI: two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Hero wins t2168
Hero wins t2168

Were extremely lucky to pick up aces here when a guy is sitting out, but I wanted to highlight the betsizing were going to use. Betting half pot to one third of the pot with our hand, which is essentially the nuts, is the best way to play this turn. If we bet any larger we will scare away all the hands that were going to get value from

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SB: t1275 42.50 BBs
BB: t1340 44.67 BBs
UTG: t1665 55.50 BBs
UTG+1: t1440 48 BBs
Hero (UTG+2): t1430 47.67 BBs
MP1: t740 24.67 BBs
MP2: t2660 88.67 BBs
CO: t1545 51.50 BBs
BTN: t1405 46.83 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+2 with A of clubs J of clubs 8 of hearts 2 of diamonds
UTG calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t90, 3 folds, BTN calls t90, 2 folds, UTG calls t60

Flop: (t315) Q of hearts J of hearts T of hearts(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t180, BTN folds, UTG folds

Final Pot: t315
Hero mucks A of clubs J of clubs 8 of hearts 2 of diamonds
Hero wins t315

This is a spot where we have no value and little redraws but we do have the initiative and can make a fairly proffitable c bet bluff for half pot. Hopefully you aren't giving up on these boards as the preflop raiser! Even if its a multiway pot.

Midstage

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SB: t2455 24.55 BBs
Hero (BB): t1225 12.25 BBs
UTG: t2605 26.05 BBs
MP: t6243 62.43 BBs
CO: t1585 15.85 BBs
BTN: t1127 11.27 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with 4 of diamonds 2 of diamonds 3 of diamonds A of hearts
4 folds, SB calls t50, Hero raises to t1225 all in, 1 fold

Final Pot: t200
Hero mucks 4 of diamonds 2 of diamonds 3 of diamonds A of hearts
Hero wins t200

We should be shoving anything that beats or flips with random four cards in positions like this where there is still fold equity. I would say this include the top 80% of hands.

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BB: t2070 10.35 BBs
UTG: t5602 28.01 BBs
Hero (UTG+1): t5991 29.95 BBs
MP1: t2090 10.45 BBs
MP2: t3640 18.20 BBs
CO: t2988 14.94 BBs
BTN: t1643 8.21 BBs
SB: t2976 14.88 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is UTG+1 with 5 of spades 3 of diamonds A of hearts J of hearts
3 folds, MP2 raises to t700, 4 folds

Final Pot: t500
MP2 wins t500

8 handed in an 18 man sitngo we can't open even hands like this with our stack and players that are shortstacked left behind. We run a huge risk of being reshipped and having to flip or getting it in 60/40, but when we actually do manage to steal the blinds it isnt worth much to us. If we were shorter, or this were a tournament where everyone was deeper, then we could open a hand like this from our position.

End Game

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CO: t1770 5.90 BBs
BTN: t6500 21.67 BBs
Hero (SB): t6041 20.14 BBs
BB: t2090 6.97 BBs
UTG: t3491 11.64 BBs
UTG+1: t3038 10.13 BBs
MP1: t1643 5.48 BBs
MP2: t2427 8.09 BBs

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is SB with 9 of diamonds 2 of spades A of spades Q of diamonds
5 folds, BTN raises to t1050, Hero raises to t3450, BB calls t1790 all in, BTN calls t2400

Flop: (t8990) 6 of hearts K of spades T of clubs(3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets t2591 all in, BTN folds

Turn: (t8990) 9 of hearts(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t8990) T of spades(2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t8990
Hero shows 9 of diamonds 2 of spades A of spades Q of diamonds (HI: two pair, Tens and Nines)
BB shows 3 of spades 4 of diamonds A of diamonds 4 of hearts (HI: two pair, Tens and Fours)
Hero wins t2720
Hero wins t6270

This is something more of an extreme example, and were able to get away with it because of how much the villain had left in his stack, but don't be afraid isolate someone who went all in with marginal value if you think you can get a fold.

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MP: t1770 5.90 BBs
CO: t3050 10.17 BBs
Hero (BTN): t11581 38.60 BBs
SB: t3491 11.64 BBs
BB: t3038 10.13 BBs
UTG: t1643 5.48 BBs
UTG+1: t2427 8.09 BBs

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is BTN with T of clubs 6 of clubs A of diamonds T of spades
4 folds, Hero raises to t1050, 2 folds

Final Pot: t750
Hero mucks T of clubs 6 of clubs A of diamonds T of spades
Hero wins t750

I hope to cover bubble play and heads up soon! but for now here is an mtt hand.

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MP2: t3882 77.64 BBs
CO: t8237 164.74 BBs
Hero (BTN): t6045 120.90 BBs
SB: t5337 106.74 BBs
BB: t4107 82.14 BBs
UTG: t10472 209.44 BBs
UTG+1: t3572 71.44 BBs
MP1: t6431 128.62 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN with 7 of spades 4 of spades Q of hearts 5 of hearts
5 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, BB calls t100

Flop: (t325) 8 of spades K of hearts 3 of diamonds(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t325) A of clubs(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t250, BB calls t250

River: (t825) 9 of clubs(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t650, BB calls t650

Final Pot: t2125
Hero shows 7 of spades 4 of spades Q of hearts 5 of hearts (HI: high card Ace; LO: 8,5,4,3,A)
BB shows A of hearts J of diamonds 6 of spades 2 of spades (HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 8,6,3,2,A)
BB wins t1063
Hero wins t1062

There are some boards where its best to go for a delayed c bet or re evaluate the turn! I always support everyone in thinking outside the box and taking atypical lines! There are certain standard moves you should have in your game, but you always have to adjust to your specific opponents to maximize value vs that particular player.

I dont really play sngs anymore so I would prefer if someone else had hh's they were unsure of? otherwise I'll just play a couple a day to find some that I think have educational value.

 


 

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Posted By trelskig at 10:43 PM

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kylejf posted on September 21, 2011 at 23:27 PM

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awesome content. keep um coming plz.


UlDuffer posted on September 22, 2011 at 00:48 AM

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Excellent Article good work


l0l_l1v3pr0 posted on September 22, 2011 at 02:58 AM

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Really great content here, thought process was explained very well!! Keep it up!!


trelskig posted on September 22, 2011 at 04:39 AM

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In my a2q9 hand I was reffering to my gutter + flush redraw + high cards as marginal value. And on that board I think we get folds enough of the time that we can find it proffitable.


Acombfosho posted on September 22, 2011 at 18:05 PM

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awesome, thanks!


 

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